[Stoves] ETHOS Stove Camp $500 Prize

[Paul S. Anderson]

Stovers,

Diverse comments on the KSCPA of Stove Camp:

1.  Kevin, the very loose system of judging by the participants who 
have access
to the data seems to work well.  I can say that because I won the award 
in 2005
and I was not at the discussion/voting session.  The campers who are together
for several days really get to know each other and the different stoves.

2.  It is really the stove that is recognized as a winner, not so much the
person who has the stove.

3.  This year, the "low cost" aspect will be up for more discussion, 
but I think
things can be worked out.  I share some of Kevin's concerns.  We are not just
trying to compare apples and oranges, but with international varieties of each
"fruit".  We could debate if costs include DC batteries or AC line-current, or
is it just "post-incoming-power" (power is assumed to be available).  But that
debate should not impact significantly the judging because a great (clean
burning) stove with an expensive fan that is required to run real slow (like a
very inexpensive fan could do) should be seen as being easily made less
expensive.  But if a similar burning stove requires massive air power from the
same expensive fan, it will be less favorably viewed.

4.  The total prize money is set at $500, but there are no written rules about
ties or categories or whatever else will be in the best interests of advancing
the stoves work.  Of course, Dean Still, as the organizer of the funds, has a
major say, but those present and voting, after seeing the entries, might
strongly suggest appropriate interpretations of the intentionally vague rules.

5.  Competition can be friendly, with everyone enjoying the benefits of shared
information.  But competition can make people try harder and simply enjoy the
activity (like playing a game of cards).

6.  Laurie, I think that your suggestion has great merit, but in a slightly
different way.  The "fan stove" competition should stay as it is, but perhaps
there should be a "Laurie Childers Cook-Friendly Stove Award".  Set some
criteria, such as "What Laurie likes is what will win!" or be more specific if
you desire.  And the prize?  How about a cake or a plate of cookies or 
???  What is most important is the recognition of the Cook-Friendly 
issues.  This is
something like Nate Johnson's efforts on Stove Safety (along with Mark Bryden
and others) that has a ranking system.  That kind of serious evaluation leads
to discussions and ETHOS presentations and improvements.

Dean, thanks for organizing this KSCPA competition again this year.

I will have a second message about the competition under the Subject of "T-LUD
stoves at Stove Camp 2006".

Paul
-- 
Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
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Quoting Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>:

> Dear Dean
>
> The challenge is interesting!!
>
> How long does the stove have to last?
>
> What is the desired range of burning rates for the fuels?
>
> How are costs calculated?
>
> Is the cost of providing power to the fan considered as part of the cost of
> the stove?
>
> When you say "lowest cost stove", how is cost determined? How are materials
> costed? How about labor costing? What about the time to make the stove?
>
> Is the stove intended to be one that is manufactured in a Factory setting,
> OR one that can be made from indigenous materials by the end user?
>
> What emissions are you testing for, and for how long a period will you be
> testing?
>
> Perhaps the rules are posted somewhere already? If so, would you have a URL?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean Still" <dstill at epud.net>
> To: "'Stoves-List'" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>; "'ethos'"
> <ethos at vrac.iastate.edu>
> Cc: "'Kirk R. Smith'" <krksmith at berkeley.edu>; "'Jeremy Roth'"
> <Jeremy at aprovecho.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 9:03 PM
> Subject: [Stoves] ETHOS Stove Camp $500 Prize
>
>
>> Dear STOVERS,
>>
>> A $500 prize (the second annual Kirk Smith Cat Piss Award) will be given
>> to
>> the participant who creates the least expensive, cleanest burning fan
>> stove
>> at the ETHOS Stove Camp this year. Fan stoves have been shown to reduce CO
>> and PM by more than 90% which could help turn brown skies blue and reduce
>> indoor air pollution.
>>
>> Bring a fan and create a better future with your friends! Winning design
>> will be documented and published on REPP!
>>
>> Contact Jeremy to reserve a space...
>>
>> Jeremy at aprovecho.net
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
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