[Stoves] Cooking by conduction - plancha stoves

[Paul S. Anderson]

Stovers,

I am going to gently come down in favor of Kevin's point of view, but perhaps
saying it in different terms.

First, we as Stovers cannot define what the "ideal" one family needs or 
uses or
would like to have.  What Rogerio produces is indeed intended for one family,
but is intended to be operated during the entire day.  It takes substantial
fuel to get any plancha hot enough to cook, so if you want a plancha you need
to allow time for heating it up.  This is just what some families want.  And
this is especially true if the climate is cool or cold, because they want the
heat into the room. The fact that it can serve a meal to over 20 or even 30
people is an additional attribute that is not generally used, but is so nice
when visitors come by.  Also, I suspect it is human nature to want an 
oversized
stove if they can afford it or get it donated.

Second, the least-fuel-using stove (I did not use the words efficient or good)
will probably send its heat directly to a single skirted pot without a 
chimney,
as does the Vesto and Champion and several Rocket models.  Comparing any of
those to a plancha stove is like comparing a bicycle to an automobile (large
trucks represent the commercial sizes).  All provide transportation, but the
variables are too many to allow realistic comparisons.  Nobody is going to get
the tortilla-lovers (some Latin Americans?) to give up their plancha 
stoves and
accept the one-pot (African?) styles of cooking.

When I initiated this thread by asking about temperatures on plancha 
tops, I did
not intend to start a comparison between major stove types.

Perhaps what we need are more objective comparisons of stoves WITHIN 
each major
stove type.  And if that is to be the approach, then we should also have
several SETS of benchmarks on CO, PM, fuel per liter cooked, time, and the
other crucial variables.

Paul

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Quoting Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>:

> Dear Harmon
>
> And you, my friend, are shooting the Messenger. :-)
>
> It was Rogerio who said it cooked for 30. Perhaps you could ask him 
> for clarification?
>
> Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver at gmail.com>
> To: "Stoves-List" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Cooking by conduction - plancha stoves
>
>
>> Kevin, you are being ridiculous. A stove with a top size of 56cm X
>> 56cm (or 35cm X 70cm with an oven) is a small, family sized stove. You
>> really should look at the product line before you make pronouncements.
>>
>> On 6/18/06, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>> Dear Harmon
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Harmon Seaver" <hseaver at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Stoves-List" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:18 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Cooking by conduction - plancha stoves
>>>
>>>
>>> > On 6/17/06, Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>>> >> Dear Rogerio and Sebastian
>>> >
>>> >   (snip)
>>> >
>>> >> I would suggest that any stove that is capable of cooking a meal 
>>> for >> 30
>>> >> people is inappropriate for a small family. The Ecostove seems 
>>> to be >> more
>>> >> of
>>> >> a commercial cooker or "small institutional" cooker, rather than 
>>> a >> Family
>>> >> Cooker. Obviously, if it is big and fast enough for a commercial 
>>> or >> small
>>> >> institutional application, it is oversized for a small family
>>> >> application.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >    Where do you get that idea, Kevin? Have you actually looked at the
>>> > stove, at their website? Frankly, the Ecostove looks like a really
>>> > nice sized little cookstove for camping or a vacation cabin. I want
>>> > one!
>>> >     The commercial people seem to be using two, three, or four of
>>> > them lined up side by side.
>>>
>>> Rogerio indicated that the Ecostove prepared a feed for 30 unexpected NGO
>>> personell. If it has the capacity to do this, then it could be 
>>> oversized for
>>> single family applications.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>
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