[Stoves] Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 22, Issue 27

Wed May 24 11:29:10 CDT 2006

Hello

  Please can someone link me up with manufacturers of Fish-feed machines. We need to purchase a machine used in making fish-feed.

  Best Regards
  Austin

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Today's Topics:

1. New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove (Tom Miles)
2. Re: New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove (AJH)
3. RE:New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove
(Crispin at newdawn.sz)
4. Ayudanos desarrollar el sitio Bioenergylists.org/es en
Espanol (Tom Miles)
5. Re: RE:New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove (AJH)
6. Stove camp 2006 (Paul S. Anderson)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 12:53:19 -0700
From: "Tom Miles" 
Subject: [Stoves] New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove
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See http://www.bioenergylists.org for a description and series of photos of
the open source paraffin stove being made by New Dawn Engineering. 

Tom Miles

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:57:56 +0100
From: AJH 

Subject: Re: [Stoves] New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove
To: "Tom Miles" 
Cc: stoves at listserv.repp.org
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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:53:19 -0700, Tom Miles wrote:

>See http://www.bioenergylists.org for a description and series of photos of
>the open source paraffin stove being made by New Dawn Engineering. 

It certainly looks functional and minimalist. I'd like to try it, what
would a KD kit cost delivered to UK, Crispin?

AJH

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 00:29:13 +0200
From: "Crispin at newdawn.sz" 
Subject: [Stoves] RE:New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin Stove
To: "Stoves" 
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Dear AJ

I am going to offer to those who hear about it now, a copy for $20 just to 
let the more serious stovers (like you lot) a chance to play with it. 
Heaven only knows what the 'real' price is. In large numbers I expect it to 
go for $16 so view this offer as wholesale between friends.

I have to get 100 units to the Department of Science and Technology (RSA) as 
soon as I can and to do that I am training another producer who has 
expressed interested in making the future KD (knock down) kits which can be 
assembled from scratch without any electricity. That is more complicated so 
for the moment it is a welded frame that does not knock down. Most of the 
parts are completed for the first 140. After the next 800 we will change 
the valve and mounting to a lower cost one for which the tooling is not 
completed.

It is surprisingly heavy (robust guess you could call it) because of the 
dangers associated with introducing a new stove that fails for ANY reason no 
matter how abused. For example the top is 1.2mm stainless though the first 
models were tested with a formed 0.5mm sheet. Later we can drop it to 
1.0mm. I tend to favour overdesign! Only the heater pipe, the valve and 
the frame are not stainless steel. So far the heater pipe is hydraulic 
tubing and it is REALLY expensive because it is thick. For the moment it 
will do.

The tank is obviously a problem in that the best answer does not exist. I 
liked a certain 2.5 liter rectangular PET bottle which I had the idea of 
making by inflating a 'pre-form' for a larget bottle inside the smaller 
blowmoulding form. The problem is that the preforms are made in Dubai (!) 
and I will have to get a tool made to plastic-inject the preform to produce 
a different thickness of wall. The preform is softened with heat and 
inflated inside a bottle shaped mould. Using the 5 litre preform inside the 
2.5 litre mould gives double the wall thickness. It is like a Coke bottle 
material.

So I'm providing a 2 litre upright juice bottle with a brass fitting for the 
6mm pipe. Anyone who wants to can provide their own elevated tank and hose. 
The valve accepts a 6mm hose quite tightly as it is 8mm in diameter. It 
will save shipping space. I like the idea of people using a permanent metal 
tank and using copper tubing to make it a permanent installation - more like 
an LPG stove in a modern house.

Regards
Crispin

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On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:53:19 -0700, Tom Miles wrote:

It certainly looks functional and minimalist. I'd like to try it, what
would a KD kit cost delivered to UK, Crispin?

AJH

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:42:39 -0700
From: "Tom Miles" 
Subject: [Stoves] Ayudanos desarrollar el sitio Bioenergylists.org/es
en Espanol
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Listeros,

Iniciamos hoy un intento crudo pero bravo de desarrollar el sitio Cocinas y
Estufas Mejoradas http://bioenergylists.org/es, o sea el sito
www.bioenergylists.org en espanol. Lo que necesitamos ahora es ayuda en
hacer las traducciones y tambien en el manejo del sito. Al principio
necesitamos traducir los temas y los terminos en los Menus. Despues uno por
uno podremos traducir las ponencias.

Favor de mandar traducciones a tmiles at trmiles.com

Atentamente,

Tom

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:20:02 +0100
From: AJH 

Subject: Re: [Stoves] RE:New Dawn Engineering Open Source Paraffin
Stove
To: "Crispin at newdawn.sz" 
Cc: Stoves 
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 00:29:13 +0200, Crispin at newdawn.sz wrote:

>So I'm providing a 2 litre upright juice bottle with a brass fitting for the 
>6mm pipe. Anyone who wants to can provide their own elevated tank and hose. 

I'll settle on just the burner to save shipping. Can you organise
delivery via surface mail, I abhor unnecessary air cargo. I can
arrange payment via a paypal transaction, you build in the additional
costs.

We must be careful about promoting sales like this on the list, which
must remain non commercial, so while I instigated the offer I don't
want it to degenerate into a lot of unsolicited commercial posts.

If it weren't for space limitations I would have liked to try a number
of the cookers featured on this list, particularly the Mayon and
Sarai.

Andrew Heggie

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:17:24 -0500
From: "Paul S. Anderson" 

Subject: [Stoves] Stove camp 2006
To: Dean Still , ETHOS 
Cc: 'Paul van der Sluis' 
, 'STOVES'

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Stovers,

Quoting Dean Still :

> Dear STOVES,
(much snipped)
> By the way Stove Camp is August 18-22 here in Oregon. Hope that you can
> come!
>
> Shall we concentrate on $5 fan stoves?
>
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Stove camp is a GREAT event and I hope many can attend.

Note that this year it centers on a weekend. Friday 18 August through Tuesday
22 August 2006. Some participants [with university commitments?] might leave
early, but everyone has a great experience even if only there for a day or two
because it is such a concentrated, focused, 100% stoves practical event.

I like the idea of concentrating on fan ["forced air"] stoves!!!!!!! 
Let's NOT
limit it to $5 maximum costs, but have adequate emphasis on keeping the costs
low. AND keep in mind Tom Reed's comment that urban dwellers (with 
modest cash
flows and access to electricity) also need to be served.

I hope we collectively can gather some price, supply, power, etc info about
approprate forced air devices and methods: electric vs. manual, and fans and
blowers and pressured air for entrainment (creating negative pressure instead
of positive pressure.)

Dean, please confirm that PRE-stove camp access to the Aprovecho 
facilities are
a possibility for those who make arrangements. For example, Dale Andreatta
will be in the area during 14 to 17 August and I would like a place to meet
with him about stoves, and I am considering coming early to prepare some
materials that are too heavy for the airplane and need more time to 
prepare and
perhaps get some measurements made on the stove testing equipment IF 
that can be
accommodated by Aprovecho staff.

Info: Stove camp has both freedom to do you own thing and also organizational
structure with voluntary presentations about excellent stove topics, depending
on who is present and willing.

REQUEST: It is both interesting and helpful to have some idea 
beforehand about
who will be (or probably will be) present at Stove Camp. For example, 
Paul van
der Sluis and his Philips unit would be a "big-name attraction" that could
influence others to make the trip, if he is able to come and we know 
about that
ahead of time.

Dean, any additional information would be appreciated, including repeating the
basics about costs, sponsorship by Shell and ETHOS and others, accommodation
options, the new Aprovecho facilities (with photos??), etc.

Stove Camp is a HIGHLIGHT event on the Stoves calendar!

(P.S. Any info about the possible ETHOS/Stoves meeting in Central 
America? Send it as a separate message with new Subject line, please.)

Paul
-- 
Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
Telephone: USA-309-452-7072 (residence and office)
Internet site: www.ilstu.edu/~psanders
For my gasifier stoves info, go to (below)
http://bioenergylists.org/contributors#Paul_Anderson

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