[Stoves] Understanding "charcoal making" stoves. Was: energy lost in charcoal making and briquetting

[Jeff Davis]

Opps, I shoul have said Watt NOT Otto!

Jeff

>For example; Otto said that a steam engine is a
> steam engine and a carriage is a carriage, YOU CAN NOT COMBINE THE TWO. He
> said this to the innovator of the horseless carriage



> Dear Andrew & Stove Philosophers,
>
>
>
> On Sunday 05 November 2006 06:42 pm, AJH wrote:
>> Non authoritatively my first bash at it in the context of this list
>> would be: a device burning a fuel, preferably biomass derived, to
>> provide heat primarily for cooking.
>
> Or would that best define "cooking appliance"? But I like the broader term
> of
> stove.
>
> Wikipedia says, "A stove is a heat-producing device. The word typically
> describes an appliance used either for generating warmth or for cooking.
> In
> British English, however, the term cooker is normally used for the cooking
> appliance, and stove for a wood- or coal-burning room-heating appliance."
>
>
> Webster says, "1a: a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses
> electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) b: a device that
> generates heat for special purpose (as for heating tools or heating air
> for a
> hot blast) c: kiln
>
> But aren't definitions like rules, they were meant to be broken?
> Otherwise, do
> we not stifle innovation? For example; Otto said that a steam engine is a
> steam engine and a carriage is a carriage, YOU CAN NOT COMBINE THE TWO. He
> said this to the innovator of the horseless carriage, whose name escapes
> me
> at the present.
>
> Moreover the IC engine is more stove than prime mover. One just needs to
> look
> at efficiency. Lets say that our IC engine is 30% efficient at rotary
> motion,
> that means that it is 70% stove. People already have used them as a
> species
> of stove hence cogen. Of course it is best when the system contains
> producer
> gas.
>
>  So let me barrow Kevin's crayon and draw a box and in this box is the so
> called gasifier (after all, all stoves gasifiy the biomass (natural
> gasification and synthetic gasification)). Next is a filter and this is
> connected to an IC engine.  Under the box we write STOVE. This stove will
> provide more heat than rotary motion. It has primary air for the
> gasification, in this case synthetic gasification, and it has secondary
> air
> for combustion (carburetor). Of course I would choose the Bisschop so we
> could also cook our food but RV'ers have used some kind of method, to cook
> their food while they drive, by using the exhaust heat from the engine.
>
> This stove box has the same components that the T-LUD (synthetic gasifier
> stove) has. They both have a well defined synthetic gasifier zone/area,
> they
> both have somekind of filter (the T-LUD has charcoal) and they both have a
> burner/secondary air. In my boxed stove the burner/secondary air is the IC
> engine. The T-LUD heats a pot but my boxed stove heats a room (cogen).
>
> Synthetic gasifier/gasification = A designed gasifier like up or down
> draft.
>
> Natural gasifier/gasification = match, candle or chunk of wood.
>
>
>
> As Kevin would say "interesting",
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> --
> Jeff Davis
> Somewhere 20 miles south of Lake Erie, USA
> http://www.velocity.net/~jeff0124
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-- 
Jeff Davis

Some where 20 miles south of Lake Erie, USA