[Stoves] Re Alexis Belonio article
Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
crispinpigott at gmail.com
Thu Apr 5 15:02:58 CDT 2007
Dear Andrew
Last first:
> A shorter flame also has less propensity to lose heat, through
>radiation.
That is what I have noted on the FSP stove experiemnts. As I was able to
get the mixing better and better over the course of a year, the flame
shortened and got hotter, the CO dropped and I was able to get the excess
air down to 100%. In general I expect Alexis can get the same things, but
he will have a materials problem right away because it is going to melt
everything.
Then:
>[steam] seemed to interfere with the combustion of
>wood. I may just have introduced too much steam
>AND/OR there were still water droplets in the jet. With
>every gramme of steam robbing 3KJ from the fire it can be very
>significant.
I want to look carefully at the possibility that some of this heat can be
recycled. I had a long talk about this today with Mike Spendlove from
Engineers Without Borders from Waterloo University. There is at least the
possibility that heat picked up on the inside of the steam boiler, that is
with a coiled superheating tube, could usefully be returned to the fire
provided the overall effect was not to a) increase the volume of the gases
to the point that heat is lost past the pot from high velocity, and b) the
heat transfer ability of hot steam (being twice that of air) more than
compensated for the heat lost creating the steam.
We agreed it was likely the latent heat of evaporation would be lost for
sure and that is a big tax on the system. It may be that the main effect is
to raise the power output from any given stove at the cost of lower
efficiency at higher power. Smaller stove, bigger power....possibly
interesting...
We agreed that there was at least the possibility that having very dry fuel
mixed with a controlled amount of steam could produce a lower emission level
in a relatively choked fire, perhaps the EA at 25%, which means that one
could reduce the excess air significantly while still maintaining the clean
burn. This seems the most promising possibility, to me.
The heat transfer enhancement might offer some gain to offset the ...shall I
call them 'steam losses'? If the overall effect is to capture heat going
through the stove body and run it back into the fire, then the combustion
temperature is raised which in general lowers CO and hopefully PM 2.5's. My
inclination is to greatly limit the steam quantity admitted, superheat it to
a temperature above that of the exiting gases with an internal coil, and
them limit the excess air until the emissions rise to the acceptable limit.
Such a stove might be surprisingly small for its power output.
Regards
Crispin
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