[Stoves] FW: Stove Camp '07 - July 16-20

Thu Apr 19 15:54:20 CDT 2007

Dean,
I set up the experiment and gave it a try. The glass will easily handle 
the heat, in fact I was surprised to be able to hold my hand on most of 
the glass for some time. And I could see the wood and flame. It did not 
blacken up as I was thinking it would. I am using a 'normal' rubber 
stopper (not high temperature) and that works fine. I had a lot of 
trouble lighting the fire at first but then used a bunch of wood coffee 
stirrers until they were burning then dropped them in. Added my sample 
of wood chips on top and adjusted the air to just see a glow. The smoke 
coming out was pure white ( a lot of it!) and not at all hot. I could 
not get it to light. In fact, it seemed to want to put out the flame 
from the lighter.
It is coming out via a 1/2" pipe and not a burner head with holes.

I would like to get the wood gas to flame - my first wood gas stove!

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Frank

Dean Still wrote:

>Dear Frank,
>
>I think that this work is a bit too specialized for Stove Camp but would
>love to see your results! We will be working on stoves not testers this year
>but again it sounds fadcinating.
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>Best,
>
>Dean
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>From: stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org
>[mailto:stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of frank
>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 10:00 AM
>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: Stove Camp '07 - July 16-20
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>Hi Dean,
>I have an idea I was wondering if you could help me with.
>
>When you say help with designing a stove on site - you have welders and 
>people that know how to use them that could help me make a 'small fuel 
>tester' idea that I have?
>I'm not sure if this will work (and everyone will think its crazy!) but 
>I would like to take the light bulb shell that is 29 cm tall and about 
>4.5 cm  id and make an up-draft (and down-draft?) stove out of it that 
>uses 'small fuel'. If the glass will hold up, and I think it will, we 
>will be able to see the burn and see the smoke. I am thinking of a  
>small metal tube that goes all the way to the bottom for primary air and 
>another that just goes into the top 2 cm for secondary air. The air for 
>both is independently controlled. We drop in some fire starter to the 
>bottom then a grate. Light then quickly pack in the fuel to 5 cm from 
>the top. Cap the top (somehow) with a flat disc with a hole in it to 
>light the gas. Adjust and monitor the primary and secondary air such 
>that the glow seen is optimized.
>
>If this will work we can then use it to determine the maximum moisture, 
>effects of water, carbon density of the fuel, carbon packing 
>calculations, fill with water to determine void space and use Crispins 
>idea to determine surface area. Test the char(fixed carbon?)  and ash 
>left. Perhaps we do not need to flame the out gas but can just test for 
>particulates, CO2 O2, resins etc and know what the flame would be like 
>based on the results(?) Or light the flame and determine heat value(?).
>
>The big question i have is if the glow seen is going to be too hot for 
>the glass and will it soot up so much we will not be able to see the red 
>color. I have had this glass dry on a red hot coil without it breaking.
>Also how can we seal the top with a disc with a hole in it? and will 
>this design work?
>
>My goal is to come up with a way we can categorize small fuels  based on 
>chemical and physical means. If you would like I could send you some 
>glass shells to look at and work with pre conference.
>
>Thanks
>Frank
>
>
>Dean Still wrote:
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>>Dear STOVERS!
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>>ETHOS Stove Camp will be held July 16-20 at the Aprovecho lab in Creswell,
>>Oregon which is 180 miles north of the California border right off of I-5.
>>(10 miles south of Eugene.) We have several participants signed up who
>>helped to firm up the dates.
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>>We can continue the work on stoves and Global Climate Change begun last
>>year. 
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>>There will be a two day "Introduction to Almost Everything about Stoves"
>>(Monday-Tuesday) for those who could use a comprehensive but quick summary.
>>It will be taught by Aprovecho staff and others. A parallel session will
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>>at the same time. The theme of the session is:
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>>A competition to combine heat transfer and combustion efficiency resulting
>>in the most fuel efficient, least polluting, most cost effective, best
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>liked
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>>natural draft cooking system (Stove/Pot). (No hayboxes) PRIZE OF $250. And
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>>Stoves should be designed and built on site. 
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>>Stoves will be tested under the emission hood. And by local good cooks.
>>Winner determined by votes from participants.
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>>Photos and descriptions of the cooking systems and results will be
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>>Camping and inexpensive hotels are available. We'll also go sailing
>>sometimes in the late afternoons.
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>>Cost is $100 for students. $200-$500 for others (Sliding Scale)
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>>Hope to see you there!
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>>Best,
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>>Dean
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Sandra Moen [mailto:yogalive at earthlink.net] 
>>Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:14 AM
>>To: Shiroff,Samuel Neal (VB 3)
>>Cc: Dean Still; Nordica MacCarty
>>Subject: Re: Stove Camp '07 - Final Dates
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>>Samuel,
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>>Stove Camp '07 is set for 16 July - 20 July, 2007.
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>>We are looking forward to giving you a great introduction
>>to stoves.  Dean says "Hi!  It would be great to test your
>>stove.  We could work on it while you are here."
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>>More details will follow.
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>>Best regards,
>>
>>Sandra Moen
>>Business Manager
>>Aprovecho Research Center
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>>>From: "Shiroff, Samuel Neal (VB 3)" <Samuel.Shiroff at BSHG.COM>
>>>Sent: Apr 16, 2007 12:26 AM
>>>To: Sandra Moen <yogalive at earthlink.net>
>>>Cc: Dean Still <dstill at epud.net>, Nordica MacCarty
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>>>Subject: Stove Camp '07 - Final Dates
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>>>Sandra,
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>>>After a great deal of calendar coordinating and negotiating, we have come
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>>>the conclusion that in 2007, only I will be able to make it to Oregon.  My
>>>colleague will have to wait until the following year.
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>>>I could fly from New York on the 15th of July and begin that
>>>afternoon/evening.  I would plan to be around for at least 3 days.  I
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>could
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>>>also make the timing for any point during that week.
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>>>Not sure if this fits with your plans, but I hope that it does.  August
>>>simply does not work this year. I will be in New York and DC in July and
>>>this makes the most sense.  A second 14 hour plane ride will be too much.
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>>>Please let me know if those July dates work.
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>>>Regards,
>>>Sam
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>>>-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>Von: Sandra Moen [mailto:yogalive at earthlink.net] 
>>>Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2007 21:18
>>>An: Shiroff, Samuel Neal (VB 3)
>>>Cc: Dean Still; Nordica MacCarty
>>>Betreff: [RMX:#] Aprovecho Research Center - Stove Camp '07
>>>
>>>Dear Mr. Shiroff,
>>>
>>>My name is Sandra Moen.  I am the Business Manager for Aprovecho
>>>Research Center.
>>>
>>>ARC has begun planning Stove Camp 2007, and Dean Still tells me that 
>>>you may be attending.  Dean has asked me to make sure that Stove Camp 
>>>is scheduled when it will be most convenient for you, and that the format 
>>>provide you with the most educational and informative experience possible.
>>>
>>>Would you please suggest dates in August that would work with your
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>>schedule?
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>>>Stove Camp usually lasts for four days.  If you can only attend for a
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>>couple
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>>>of days, we will work around your schedule.
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>>>Also, Dean suggests that you may want ARC to test your stove prior to
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>>>Camp; we would be happy to conduct a series of three tests and submit a 
>>>report summarizing the test results.  Of course, we would sign a
>>>Non-Disclosure
>>>Agreement.  If desired, please ship the stove model to the following
>>>address:
>>>
>>>Aprovecho Research Center
>>>195 North Mill Street #1
>>>Creswell, Oregon  97426
>>>
>>>If you have any questions or need further information, please let me know.
>>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Sandra Moen
>>>Business Manager
>>>Aprovecho Research Center
>>>(541) 895-5677
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