[Stoves] Charcoal Rocket Stove

Sat Apr 28 10:37:08 CDT 2007

Dear Tom,

Right, right, right! Making charcoal from trees wastes most of the energy in
the wood and produces lots of pollution. Also burning charcoal usually makes
dangerous levels of carbon monoxide. I usually get a headache when testing
charcoal even though it is under a hood.

On the plus side charcoal burning usually makes a lot less particulate
matter. It requires a less tending and makes a long lasting, lower powered
heat required for simmering.

I very much agree that wood should be burned in better stoves instead of
using charcoal from trees.

Best,

Dean

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Reed
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:52 AM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Charcoal Rocket Stove

Dear Dean and All:

It has been well known for > 10,000 years that charcoal is a much 
cleaner fuel than raw biomass (or wood).   However, the yield of energy 
in making charcoal from wood is  seldom more than 30%, and most charcoal 
making methods create a great deal of air pollution. 

Before WWII charcoal was the favored fuel for amateur makers of Producer 
Gas (now better called Hydrogen Producer Gas, since the hydrogen 
contributes unique combustion properties to the gas) devices for heat 
and vehicle power.  But because of the low efficiency of charcoal 
WoodGas generators were developed early in the war to keep from using up 
all the forests of Europe. 

So, while charcoal is easier to use, efficiency, economy and 
environmental cleanliness favor clean combustion of wood in WoodGas 
stoves or other improved stoves.  *Charcoal is a red herring* *fuel *in 
the larger overall view of biomass fuels (unless you are using the 
energy from the volatiles for other purposes).

Onward,

TOM REED            BEF
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Dean Still wrote:
> Dear Cornelio,
>
> My experience is limited to four stoves, the Ghana stove, a metal stove
like
> it from Mali, the Rocket and traditional type stoves from Africa and
Haiti.
> The Rocket was fastest because there is a lot of draft resulting in higher
> power. I have observed that emissions do go down in a Rocket type stove
> AFTER the chamber gets hot AND when there are air holes between the chunks
> of charcoal. I did not see any additional benefit to adding secondary air.
>
> We will be testing more charcoal stoves soon and I'll get back to the list
> with our findings. I'd be very interested in your experiences
experimenting
> with a Rocket type charcoal stove.
>
> All Best,
>
> Dean
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org
> [mailto:stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of cornelio torrijos
> Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:14 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Charcoal Rocket Stove
>
> Hello Mr. Dean Still and all,
>
> I look forward to your reports from you coming Ethos Stove Camp this
coming
> July.
>
> Thank you for posting a video of your comparison of the charcoal rocket
> stove and the Ghana stove. I have viewed it again and again to find
features
> that might help me make a better charcoal stove.
>
> It was mentioned in video that time to boil was 27 minutes for the rocket
> and 34 for the Ghana. Which factors to you believe contributed most to the
> faster boil time of the rocket? Do taller and narrower charcoal stoves
> result in better and more complete combustion? The rocket charcoal stove
had
> no provision for entry of secondary air before the exit hole, does this
mean
> that it is not really needed?
>
> Which charcoal stoves that you tested has resulted in the fastest 5 liters
> water boil time?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Cornelio
>
> On 4/17/07, Dean Still <dstill at epud.net> wrote:
>   
>> Dear STOVERS!
>>
>> ETHOS Stove Camp will be held July 16-20 at the Aprovecho lab in
Creswell,
>> Oregon which is 180 miles north of the California border right off of
I-5.
>> (10 miles south of Eugene.) We have several participants signed up who
>> helped to firm up the dates.
>>
>> We can continue the work on stoves and Global Climate Change begun last
>> year.
>>
>> There will be a two day "Introduction to Almost Everything about Stoves"
>> (Monday-Tuesday) for those who could use a comprehensive but quick
>> summary.
>> It will be taught by Aprovecho staff and others. A parallel session will
>> run
>> at the same time. The theme of the session is:
>>
>> A competition to combine heat transfer and combustion efficiency
resulting
>> in the most fuel efficient, least polluting, most cost effective, best
>> liked
>> natural draft cooking system (Stove/Pot). (No hayboxes) PRIZE OF $250.
And
>> a
>> beautiful award.
>>
>> Stoves should be designed and built on site.
>>
>> Stoves will be tested under the emission hood. And by local good cooks.
>> Winner determined by votes from participants.
>>
>> Photos and descriptions of the cooking systems and results will be
>> published
>> on the List.
>>
>> Camping and inexpensive hotels are available. We'll also go sailing
>> sometimes in the late afternoons.
>>
>> Cost is $100 for students. $200-$500 for others (Sliding Scale)
>>
>> Hope to see you there!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sandra Moen [mailto:yogalive at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:14 AM
>> To: Shiroff,Samuel Neal (VB 3)
>> Cc: Dean Still; Nordica MacCarty
>> Subject: Re: Stove Camp '07 - Final Dates
>>
>> Samuel,
>>
>> Stove Camp '07 is set for 16 July - 20 July, 2007.
>>
>> We are looking forward to giving you a great introduction
>> to stoves.  Dean says "Hi!  It would be great to test your
>> stove.  We could work on it while you are here."
>>
>> More details will follow.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Sandra Moen
>> Business Manager
>> Aprovecho Research Center
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>     
>>> From: "Shiroff, Samuel Neal (VB 3)" <Samuel.Shiroff at BSHG.COM>
>>> Sent: Apr 16, 2007 12:26 AM
>>> To: Sandra Moen <yogalive at earthlink.net>
>>> Cc: Dean Still <dstill at epud.net>, Nordica MacCarty
>>>       
>> <nordica.maccarty at gmail.com>
>>     
>>> Subject: Stove Camp '07 - Final Dates
>>>
>>> Sandra,
>>>
>>> After a great deal of calendar coordinating and negotiating, we have
come
>>>       
>> to
>>     
>>> the conclusion that in 2007, only I will be able to make it to
>>>       
>> Oregon.  My
>>     
>>> colleague will have to wait until the following year.
>>>
>>> I could fly from New York on the 15th of July and begin that
>>> afternoon/evening.  I would plan to be around for at least 3 days.  I
>>>       
>> could
>>     
>>> also make the timing for any point during that week.
>>>
>>> Not sure if this fits with your plans, but I hope that it does.  August
>>> simply does not work this year. I will be in New York and DC in July and
>>> this makes the most sense.  A second 14 hour plane ride will be too
much.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if those July dates work.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sam
>>>
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>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: Sandra Moen [mailto:yogalive at earthlink.net]
>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2007 21:18
>>> An: Shiroff, Samuel Neal (VB 3)
>>> Cc: Dean Still; Nordica MacCarty
>>> Betreff: [RMX:#] Aprovecho Research Center - Stove Camp '07
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Shiroff,
>>>
>>> My name is Sandra Moen.  I am the Business Manager for Aprovecho
>>> Research Center.
>>>
>>> ARC has begun planning Stove Camp 2007, and Dean Still tells me that
>>> you may be attending.  Dean has asked me to make sure that Stove Camp
>>> is scheduled when it will be most convenient for you, and that the
format
>>> provide you with the most educational and informative experience
>>>       
>> possible.
>>     
>>> Would you please suggest dates in August that would work with your
>>>       
>> schedule?
>>     
>>> Stove Camp usually lasts for four days.  If you can only attend for a
>>>       
>> couple
>>     
>>> of days, we will work around your schedule.
>>>
>>> Also, Dean suggests that you may want ARC to test your stove prior to
>>>       
>> Stove
>>
>>     
>>> Camp; we would be happy to conduct a series of three tests and submit a
>>> report summarizing the test results.  Of course, we would sign a
>>> Non-Disclosure
>>> Agreement.  If desired, please ship the stove model to the following
>>> address:
>>>
>>> Aprovecho Research Center
>>> 195 North Mill Street #1
>>> Creswell, Oregon  97426
>>>
>>> If you have any questions or need further information, please let me
>>>       
>> know.
>>     
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Sandra Moen
>>> Business Manager
>>> Aprovecho Research Center
>>> (541) 895-5677
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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