[Stoves] Alcohol lanterns and property rights. was Re: Stoves Digest, Vol 8, Issue 4

Sat Feb 3 15:15:03 CST 2007

Anil,

We await your products.  If available, I do not know how to obtain them, even
though I have been to your office in Phaltan.  I do not know of anyone who has
your products.  Nor is anyone allowed to replicate your excellent 
inventions or
participate with you in furthering the development.  When your products are
available, I assure you that I and others will enthusiasticly bring 
them to the
attention of everyone, just as I brought a Britelyt alcohol mantle lantern to
the ETHOS meeting and will continue to inform others of its availability.

Concerning the idea of heating a pot on top of flame- or mantle- lanterns, I
suspect that such action was done more than 100 years ago when hundreds of
thousands (millions?) of heat generating lanterns were in use around 
the world.

Concerning patents and intellectual property rights, I will advocate that
everyone should respect the legal rights of others.  At the same time, I will
encourage everyone to NOT tie up their inventions with legal 
restrictions.  The
most favorable response I received in my ETHOS presentation was when I 
said that
I and my partner Paul Wever of Chip Energy freely release our inventions for
others to see and copy if they wish.

I did NOT say that we would publicly reveal every trade secret and all the
"tricks" that contribute to the successful operation of our biomass grill and
furnace, but we will work with anyone and disclose more to those who 
would like
to consider mutually beneficial commercialization and/or manufacturing with us
anywhere in the world, especially in the developing countries.  In essence, we
believe that the eventual markets and humanitarian benefits are so large that
we can be satisfied with a reasonable portion instead of trying to 
claim all of
it under some patent that makes attorneys wealthy and makes us worried about
being copied or "designed around".  We hope that we will not get "ripped off"
by others, but at least the track record will clearly show the origins of
inventions like the updraft biomass grill, the TLUD enhancements, and the Lily
alcohol burner/stove.

With a smile, but still serious, I say that the problems are greater to get
people interested and wanting to participate (such as funding and field
testing) than are the problems that others will take the innovations and leave
us behind.

Anil.  There are times that I feel quite alone with my projects, and you
probably do also.  We could well use sponsors and assistance.  For example,
Larry Winearski's creativeness was recognized and disseminated by Dean Still,
Aprovecho, and Hurricane Mitch, with the fabulous results of Rocket stoves
around the world.  Tom Reed received a boost from me with the TLUD work, but
much more is needed, like the GERES support in Cambodia.  And some ideas that
Agua Das was not actively working upon then or since stimulated me with 
some of
my stove work.  And now, finally and with thanks, I have a great business
partner Paul Wever with whom I am rapidly advancing the continuous feed 
updraft
biomass grill.  And I am counting on Harry Stokes to assist with the alcohol
burner activities.  To work alone is almost impossible, but finding those who
will assist us is extremely difficult.

To be inventive is something like being cursed, unless we can get these
inventions to expand beyond us.  Inventors have difficulties turning away from
their creations.  A little help is of tremendous value.

Paul
-- 
Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
Telephone:  USA-309-452-7072 (residence and office)
Internet site:  www.ilstu.edu/~psanders
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Quoting nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>:

> Dear Chris,
>
> We made the Noorie kerosene lamp in 1990 when Britelyt was not even in the
> picture. We also believe we were the first one to promote the use of lantern
> as a cooking device. In science and technology and commerce progress takes
> place incrementally when improvements are made based upon the existing
> models. However proper credit needs to be given to the originator of the
> concept.
>
> Unfortunately our Noorie ethanol lantern work remained behind because of the
> materials problems. Besides we got sidetracked in developing the low ethanol
> concentration stove which is now ready for commercial exploitation.
> http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/ethstove.pdf.
>
> Recently we have taken up the work of running a newly designed lantern to
> run on 50%(w/w) ethanol-water mixture and we are happy to inform you that it
> is doing very well in the trial runs. This way we have been able to produce
> both cooking and lighting device to run on the same fuel. Besides this fuel
> can easily be distilled locally with very little energy and without too much
> sophisticated machinery. In fact we had developed a very simple solar still
> in 1984 to distill this ethanol from 7%(w/w) fermented mash. The still
> produced 40-60%(w/w) ethanol depending upon the solar energy.
>
> Best wishes. Anil K Rajvanshi
>
> On 2/3/07, Chris Smith <hotspringfreak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of the excellent Britelyt lantern (not to mention their stove
>> which
>> can burn alcohol - as well as biodiesel and other liquid fuels - a true
>> multi-fuel stove) ...
>>
>> ...is there current status info on the availability of the alcohol Noorie
>> lantern (which has a stove adapter, like the Britelyt)? Or on it's mantle
>> composition (to keep with thread).  I believe Anil K. Ravjanshi had
>> written
>> that 2007 would be a target date for release, hopefully for export as
>> well.
>> Stats are similar to the Britelyt, though unless I'm mistaken a setup for
>> operation with alcohol would be required for the Britelyte while it's just
>>
>> turn-key for the alcohol Noorie.  Light output and fuel consumption stats
>> are similar.  The Noorie being made in India, may be substantially cheaper
>> and I believe it functions with lower concentration alcohols, being
>> designed
>> to operate with the user's self-produced ~60% alcohols produced from
>> biomass
>> waste from their own home garden food production efforts.  An integrated
>> sustainable loop.  Comments and/or project update are much appreciated.
>>
>> http://nariphaltan.virtualave.net/lantern.htm
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Chris Smith
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> >
>> > Message: 6
>> > Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:51:55 -0600
>> > From: "Paul S. Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] FW: MANTLE LAMP TESTS
>> > To: Frans Peeters < peetersfrans at telenet.be>, eddie at britelyt.com
>> > Cc: Harry Stokes - alcohol <hstokes at blazenet.net >,      Stoves
>> >         <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
>> > Message-ID: <20070202215155.8t2ba9aq8880gs84 at webmail2.ilstu.edu >
>> > Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=ISO-8859-1;     format="flowed"
>> >
>> > Frans,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the message and for the efforts.
>> >
>> > Last month I met Mr. Eddie Draper who makes the Britelyt mantle
>> > lanterns, and he
>> > has a model that runs on any of the alcohols.  A VERY nice product and
>> > I showed
>> > one at ETHOS.  Sells for about $200 including a cookstove substitute
>> > top.  Visit     www.britelyt.com   for info.
>> >
>> > Britelyt has a stronger mantle than what is common for campstoves.  Any
>> > details
>> > would need to come from Eddie, who is receiving a copy of this message.
>> >
>> > Eddie:  Thanks.  The alcohol lantern was performed well at ETHOS.  See
>> > photo of
>> > it in the photo section of Tom Miles report at     bioenergylists.org    .
>> >
>> > Paul
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
>> > Telephone:  USA-309-452-7072 (residence and office)
>> > Internet site:   www.ilstu.edu/~psanders<http://www.ilstu.edu/%7Epsanders>
>> > For my gasifier stoves info, go to:
>> > http://bioenergylists.org/contributors#Paul_Anderson
>> >
>> >
>> >
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