[Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves

[Thomas Reed]

Dear Paul and All:

You are mostly correct that the people who need the WoodGas (TLUD) stove 
the most, don't know about it, and those who know are campers, not real 
commited cookers. 

However, Linda and Steve Schwein in Ward Colorado (our local 
"undeveloped country" test lab) have been cooking for 8 years on a three 
burner "apartment style" TLUD that Steve and Ron Carter designed.  Ward 
is at 10,000 ft and most of the citizens eschew phones, computers, 
electric power and similar evil conveniences. I'll send pictures to Tom 
Miles.  You can also see them at

*http://picasaweb.google.com/tombreed100/WardStove*

Steve is a carpenter and so has access to all kinds of scrap wood.  The 
stove is triangular and has a nice copper hood over the top.  Air is 
delivered from a 12 V blower (not fan) run from a car battery.  (I used 
to buy these at Radio Shack, but the don't carry them anymore.)  We try 
to visit Steve and Linda every year and have coffee made on the stove.  
Very nice people.

Tom Reed          BEF  

997,000,073 WoodGas stoves still to go in our BILLION STOVE program.  We 
need help.
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Paul S. Anderson wrote:
> Stovers,
>
> A significant challenge to the TLUD stove development is obtaining
> user-experience with cooking on TLUDs.  There is no TLUD project with a
> sponsor/donor other than the personal finances of the stove developers, with
> the possible exception of the Shenzhou Daxu stove in China (that is not even
> recognized as a TLUD) but has company support and some sales to government
> projects.  As such, data about long-term usage is mostly lacking.
>
> Of course there are the outdoor campers with the Woodgas Campstove (the only
> TLUD commercially available) and the Midge (DIY = Do-It-Yourself) and some
> lesser-known TLUDs for personal use.  But those are for camp cooking which is
> quite different from the every-meal cooking of people in developing countries.
>
> With few exceptions, the "developers" of the TLUD models are in the affluent
> countries.  We (I am in that group) have tested our TLUDs with different
> cooking, but nobody has done every-meal continual daily cooking on their
> stoves.  Most (all?) are males and we cannot prevail upon our spouses 
> to do all
> their cooking on the TLUDs.
>
> Including the TLUD developers in the Third World countries, I doubt that there
> are even 20 of us who have seriously designed and made TLUDs (excluding those
> who have made one or two copies of someone else's designs).
>
> Reed, Larson, English, Heggie, Puncibanda, Anderson, Belonio, Thompson,
> Gallmeier, Carr, van der Slius (led to Philips non-TLUD), Shenzhou Daxu in
> China,  Mukunda at IISc (with TLUDs for several ARECOP projects), any 
> others at
> IISc (?), maybe one at TERI (?), and Reddy, [that is maybe 16 so far].  Maybe
> others should be nominated to the "brotherhood of TLUD designers."  There are
> others who have a lot of knowledge about TLUDs (including Miles, Andreatta,
> Wever,) but who to my knowledge are not now or have not been seriously making
> TLUDs.
>
> Of the several who live in developing societies, almost all of the 
> developers do
> NOT use TLUDs for their daily cooking.  For example, I have met and 
> talked with
> Alexis Belonio (Philippines) and Prof. Mukunda in India.  I have not visited
> their home, but I believe (they can correct me) that in their households their
> cooking is not done on their excellent TLUDs.  The convenience of LPG or
> electric or microwave or whatever is preferred and is affordable.
>
> The one exception is Sai Bhaskar Reddy, one of the most recent inductees into
> the brotherhood.  He wrote:
>
> Quoting Saibhaskar Nakka <saibhaskarnakka at gmail.com>:
>
>   
>> To bring out my limitations, I would like to say few words, I am designing
>> the stoves with my own resources and converted our kitchen into makeshift
>> lab.
>>     
>     ...
>   
>> I am using "Magh Smoke burner stove" for all our cooking needs since last
>> two months, now I am more confident about its functioning and utility and
>> also tested with different types of biomass. I don't get it tested
>> scientifically yet.
>>     
>
> Two months cooking all meals for a family on a TLUD is probably a record.  I
> encourage him (and especially his wife/cook) to continue.  This would 
> be Indian
> cooking, and maybe he could describe it at his blogsite.  Lots of 
> photos.  What
> types of food.  Chapati, dal, rice, frying, vegetables, etc etc.  What is
> better and what is not as good when cooking on a TLUD, both in eating and in
> food preparation.
>
> This information on usage is as important as the scientific measurements.
>
> By the way, I am intending to do a community-based TLUD project in 
> 2007, but no
> details for release yet.  The stove will probably be much like what I will
> bring to Stove Camp 2007 in July.  Ahhhhh.  The challenges and excitement are
> wonderful.
>
> Paul
>
>
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