[Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves

[Tom Miles]

See Wood Gas stove photos: http://www.bioenergylists.org/en/reedwoodgas0607

Tom Miles

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> From: stoves-bounces at listserv.repp.org [mailto:stoves-
> bounces at listserv.repp.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Reed
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 5:05 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves
> 
> Dear Paul and All:
> 
> You are mostly correct that the people who need the WoodGas (TLUD)
> stove
> the most, don't know about it, and those who know are campers, not real
> commited cookers.
> 
> However, Linda and Steve Schwein in Ward Colorado (our local
> "undeveloped country" test lab) have been cooking for 8 years on a
> three
> burner "apartment style" TLUD that Steve and Ron Carter designed.  Ward
> is at 10,000 ft and most of the citizens eschew phones, computers,
> electric power and similar evil conveniences. I'll send pictures to Tom
> Miles.  You can also see them at
> 
> *http://picasaweb.google.com/tombreed100/WardStove*
> 
> Steve is a carpenter and so has access to all kinds of scrap wood.  The
> stove is triangular and has a nice copper hood over the top.  Air is
> delivered from a 12 V blower (not fan) run from a car battery.  (I used
> to buy these at Radio Shack, but the don't carry them anymore.)  We try
> to visit Steve and Linda every year and have coffee made on the stove.
> Very nice people.
> 
> Tom Reed          BEF
> 
> 997,000,073 WoodGas stoves still to go in our BILLION STOVE program.
> We
> need help.
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> 
> Paul S. Anderson wrote:
> > Stovers,
> >
> > A significant challenge to the TLUD stove development is obtaining
> > user-experience with cooking on TLUDs.  There is no TLUD project with
> a
> > sponsor/donor other than the personal finances of the stove
> developers, with
> > the possible exception of the Shenzhou Daxu stove in China (that is
> not even
> > recognized as a TLUD) but has company support and some sales to
> government
> > projects.  As such, data about long-term usage is mostly lacking.
> >
> > Of course there are the outdoor campers with the Woodgas Campstove
> (the only
> > TLUD commercially available) and the Midge (DIY = Do-It-Yourself) and
> some
> > lesser-known TLUDs for personal use.  But those are for camp cooking
> which is
> > quite different from the every-meal cooking of people in developing
> countries.
> >
> > With few exceptions, the "developers" of the TLUD models are in the
> affluent
> > countries.  We (I am in that group) have tested our TLUDs with
> different
> > cooking, but nobody has done every-meal continual daily cooking on
> their
> > stoves.  Most (all?) are males and we cannot prevail upon our spouses
> > to do all
> > their cooking on the TLUDs.
> >
> > Including the TLUD developers in the Third World countries, I doubt
> that there
> > are even 20 of us who have seriously designed and made TLUDs
> (excluding those
> > who have made one or two copies of someone else's designs).
> >
> > Reed, Larson, English, Heggie, Puncibanda, Anderson, Belonio,
> Thompson,
> > Gallmeier, Carr, van der Slius (led to Philips non-TLUD), Shenzhou
> Daxu in
> > China,  Mukunda at IISc (with TLUDs for several ARECOP projects), any
> > others at
> > IISc (?), maybe one at TERI (?), and Reddy, [that is maybe 16 so
> far].  Maybe
> > others should be nominated to the "brotherhood of TLUD designers."
> There are
> > others who have a lot of knowledge about TLUDs (including Miles,
> Andreatta,
> > Wever,) but who to my knowledge are not now or have not been
> seriously making
> > TLUDs.
> >
> > Of the several who live in developing societies, almost all of the
> > developers do
> > NOT use TLUDs for their daily cooking.  For example, I have met and
> > talked with
> > Alexis Belonio (Philippines) and Prof. Mukunda in India.  I have not
> visited
> > their home, but I believe (they can correct me) that in their
> households their
> > cooking is not done on their excellent TLUDs.  The convenience of LPG
> or
> > electric or microwave or whatever is preferred and is affordable.
> >
> > The one exception is Sai Bhaskar Reddy, one of the most recent
> inductees into
> > the brotherhood.  He wrote:
> >
> > Quoting Saibhaskar Nakka <saibhaskarnakka at gmail.com>:
> >
> >
> >> To bring out my limitations, I would like to say few words, I am
> designing
> >> the stoves with my own resources and converted our kitchen into
> makeshift
> >> lab.
> >>
> >     ...
> >
> >> I am using "Magh Smoke burner stove" for all our cooking needs since
> last
> >> two months, now I am more confident about its functioning and
> utility and
> >> also tested with different types of biomass. I don't get it tested
> >> scientifically yet.
> >>
> >
> > Two months cooking all meals for a family on a TLUD is probably a
> record.  I
> > encourage him (and especially his wife/cook) to continue.  This would
> > be Indian
> > cooking, and maybe he could describe it at his blogsite.  Lots of
> > photos.  What
> > types of food.  Chapati, dal, rice, frying, vegetables, etc etc.
> What is
> > better and what is not as good when cooking on a TLUD, both in eating
> and in
> > food preparation.
> >
> > This information on usage is as important as the scientific
> measurements.
> >
> > By the way, I am intending to do a community-based TLUD project in
> > 2007, but no
> > details for release yet.  The stove will probably be much like what I
> will
> > bring to Stove Camp 2007 in July.  Ahhhhh.  The challenges and
> excitement are
> > wonderful.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
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