[Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves

Sun Jun 3 11:25:51 CDT 2007

A list of the ARTI stoves including the Sampada can be found on the ARTI
site:
http://www.arti-india.org/content/view/76/52/

AD, Where can we see a picture of the Sampada?

Thanks

Tom Miles

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Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 10:41 PM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves

Paul's lament about the propagation of T-Lud not being supported aby any
funding agency is not quite correct. His Champion stove is one of the stoves
that we are trying to propagate in India through Shell Foundation funding.
Unfortunately, there are not many takers for it because it is too tall. The
users also do not like the practice of removing the fuel holder once every
20 minutes and substituting it with another fuel holder containing unburnt
fuel. Our own Sampada stove works on similar lines, in that wood chips are
first pyrolysed and then provided with secondary air to burn the pyrolysis
gas completely. Sampada has no moving parts. It is also a bit too tall for
the Indian housewives, but it can be let into the ground to any desirable
depth.Also its cost is quite low, about US$12. As a result, it is selling
quite well. Another advantage of Sampada stove is that wood chips are added
to it intermittantly from above, so that the housewife can complete her
cooking without any break. But because of this mode of operation, it cannot
strictly be called a T-LUD stove. We now also have a cement model of
Sampada.
Yours
A.D.Karve
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From: Paul S. Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at listserv.repp.org>;
Saibhaskar Nakka <saibhaskarnakka at gmail.com>
Cc: Alexis Belonio - Philippines <atbelonio at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 9:15 AM
Subject: [Stoves] Usage of TLUD stoves

> Stovers,
>
> A significant challenge to the TLUD stove development is obtaining
> user-experience with cooking on TLUDs.  There is no TLUD project with a
> sponsor/donor other than the personal finances of the stove developers,
with
> the possible exception of the Shenzhou Daxu stove in China (that is not
even
> recognized as a TLUD) but has company support and some sales to government
> projects.  As such, data about long-term usage is mostly lacking.
>
> Of course there are the outdoor campers with the Woodgas Campstove (the
only
> TLUD commercially available) and the Midge (DIY = Do-It-Yourself) and some
> lesser-known TLUDs for personal use.  But those are for camp cooking which
is
> quite different from the every-meal cooking of people in developing
countries.
>
> With few exceptions, the "developers" of the TLUD models are in the
affluent
> countries.  We (I am in that group) have tested our TLUDs with different
> cooking, but nobody has done every-meal continual daily cooking on their
> stoves.  Most (all?) are males and we cannot prevail upon our spouses
> to do all
> their cooking on the TLUDs.
>
> Including the TLUD developers in the Third World countries, I doubt that
there
> are even 20 of us who have seriously designed and made TLUDs (excluding
those
> who have made one or two copies of someone else's designs).
>
> Reed, Larson, English, Heggie, Puncibanda, Anderson, Belonio, Thompson,
> Gallmeier, Carr, van der Slius (led to Philips non-TLUD), Shenzhou Daxu in
> China,  Mukunda at IISc (with TLUDs for several ARECOP projects), any
> others at
> IISc (?), maybe one at TERI (?), and Reddy, [that is maybe 16 so far].
Maybe
> others should be nominated to the "brotherhood of TLUD designers."  There
are
> others who have a lot of knowledge about TLUDs (including Miles,
Andreatta,
> Wever,) but who to my knowledge are not now or have not been seriously
making
> TLUDs.
>
> Of the several who live in developing societies, almost all of the
> developers do
> NOT use TLUDs for their daily cooking.  For example, I have met and
> talked with
> Alexis Belonio (Philippines) and Prof. Mukunda in India.  I have not
visited
> their home, but I believe (they can correct me) that in their households
their
> cooking is not done on their excellent TLUDs.  The convenience of LPG or
> electric or microwave or whatever is preferred and is affordable.
>
> The one exception is Sai Bhaskar Reddy, one of the most recent inductees
into
> the brotherhood.  He wrote:
>
> Quoting Saibhaskar Nakka <saibhaskarnakka at gmail.com>:
>
> > To bring out my limitations, I would like to say few words, I am
designing
> > the stoves with my own resources and converted our kitchen into
makeshift
> > lab.
>     ...
> > I am using "Magh Smoke burner stove" for all our cooking needs since
last
> > two months, now I am more confident about its functioning and utility
and
> > also tested with different types of biomass. I don't get it tested
> > scientifically yet.
>
> Two months cooking all meals for a family on a TLUD is probably a record.
I
> encourage him (and especially his wife/cook) to continue.  This would
> be Indian
> cooking, and maybe he could describe it at his blogsite.  Lots of
> photos.  What
> types of food.  Chapati, dal, rice, frying, vegetables, etc etc.  What is
> better and what is not as good when cooking on a TLUD, both in eating and
in
> food preparation.
>
> This information on usage is as important as the scientific measurements.
>
> By the way, I am intending to do a community-based TLUD project in
> 2007, but no
> details for release yet.  The stove will probably be much like what I will
> bring to Stove Camp 2007 in July.  Ahhhhh.  The challenges and excitement
are
> wonderful.
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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