[Stoves] Charcoal Champion Stove. Was: Charcoal Rocket Stove

Thomas Reed tombreed at comcast.net
Tue Jun 12 14:52:18 EDT 2007


Dear Paul and All:

I am currently reading the biography of Benjamin Franklin Walter 
Isaacson.  Franklin was arguably the most creative American to date.  
Not only did he invent the lightning rod and Franklin Stove, but the 
library, the fire department and hospitals.  He appeared to be very 
modest, but this was simulated in order to be better able to communicate 
with his fellow man which he did very effectively. 

We here at STOVES are the leaders to a new age in which "cheap oil" no 
longer dominates the fuel market and we have to re-examine our energy 
and fuel options.
We all are mining the same fundamental truths, so I suggest we should 
all be modest (or simulate modesty) in our talk, actions and inventions. 

Paul Anderson has done an excellent job (below) and I can hardly wait to 
catch up with his latest inventions.  Benjamin Franklin made many 
inventions, but said that he had benefited greatly from other 
inventions, so refused to patent his. 

Unfortunately, I live in Denver and Paul lives in Normal, Ill, so we 
meet seldom but with great enthusiasm.  I tend to work more on the 
fundamental chemistry of fuels, while Paul is combining 
combustion/gasification knowledge to make ever better stoves. 

Onward to a (better/worse/no/healthier) future

TOM REED
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psanders at ilstu.edu wrote:
> Quoting Kevin Chisholm <kchisholm at ca.inter.net>:
>
>   
>> Dear Paul
>>
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Paul S. Anderson wrote:
>>     
>>> For Kevin's benefit, please add the word "concept", to read:
>>>
>>>       
>>>>> A.D.'s application of the Champion stove [[ concept ]] sounds very 
>>>>> good to me.
>>>>>           
>> What would you say is the essential concept of the Champion Stove? Is 
>> it something that would be obvious to someone skilled in the trade, 
>> or do you consider it to be invention?
>>
>>     
> Kevin,
>
> The Champion stove accomplished cookstove-size top-lit updraft gasification
> using natural draft with consistent good performance.  Tom Reed gets 
> credit for
> the TLUD concept of pyrolysis-to-make-combustible-smoke/gases.  That is the
> "gasifier makes gases" part of TLUDs.  He was not fully successful with the
> combustion aspects (that is, the smoke-burning part), as can be seen in the
> original "Reed-Larson 1995" device.  Issues of sufficient draft and 
> combustion.
> So Tom moved on to forced-air TLUDs.  The bottom (smoke-making) components of
> Tom's and mine and of most others are very similar.
>
> The components I contributed relate mainly to the "smoke burning."  
> They are the
> concentrator disk, the setting of the gap for secondary air using the diameter
> of a wire/rod, and the dimensions of the internal chimney (before the 
> heat hits
> the pot.)  Plus putting it together into a stove that can function for 
> cooking.
> My presentation at ETHOS 2006 remains the best description (with photos and
> diagrams) of this technology.
>
> It is an invention.  I worked nearly five years before I came to that point in
> 2005.  Who is skilled in the trade of TLUD gasifiers?  There are several (but
> really very few) and none of them came to that solution.  In 20/20 hindsight,
> things can look quite obvious.  But when creating this or any new stove, many
> things are not obvious at all.  There ARE other ways to have the secondary air
> enter, and I have tried every one that I could think of.  I know many 
> ways that
> do not work or have other drawbacks (including complexity to manufacture, or
> problems for user-friendliness.)  But since completing the Champion Stove, I
> have spent very little time on the topic of combustion (smoke burning) by the
> natural draft TLUDs.
>
> I presented this stove at Stove Camp 2005.  It won the Cat Pee Award for clean
> combustion by a natural draft cookstove, and hence I named it "Champion 
> stove".
>
> The intellectual property rights have been placed in the Public Domain 
> two years
> ago.
>
> My largest unit with this technology was in a 30 gallon (about 115 
> liter) drum,
> and it was very much an experiment of concept, not for practical use at that
> point.
>
> I am thrilled that ARTI and the Karve's are using the concepts at a larger
> scale.  They live in a society where there are applications for this
> technology.  I have not seen any pictures yet, so I do not know if the
> concentrator disk and spacer rod are incorporated into that design.
>
> I would not be surprise if improvements or even better alternatives could be
> found for the smoke burning in natural draft TLUDs.  But Dale Andreatta
> reported at ETHOS 2007 that he did not find ways to improve upon the Champion
> stoves' design for combustion during his year of experimentation.
>
> Thanks for asking.
>
> Paul
>
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