[Stoves] Billion Stoves Program (Karin Troncoso)
Karin Troncoso Torrez
karin at oikos.unam.mx
Thu Mar 8 13:55:08 CST 2007
Hi all:
Even when I agree with Cornelio Torrijos about women lack of knowledge on
environmental issues, I believe in women capacity to reflect about the way
they do things and about how they could do them in a better way. The
important issue here is if we are ready to work together with them to find
a solution to indoor air pollution, for them and for the environment, or we
believe that the billion stoves are going to be magic ones and are going to
work alone independently of women understanding and women acceptance. If we
are going to work together, I believe we should go for a less ambitious goal.
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 20:46:21 +0800
>From: "cornelio torrijos" <cctorrijos at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Billion Stoves Program
>To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
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>Hi all,
>
>If we are to persuade rural women, we need to communicate effectively to
>them:
>
>Kirk R. Smith, East-West Center, Honolulu, Hawaii wrote:
>
>*"Poor biomass combustion in stoves entails three major environmental
>liabilities due in significant** part to emissions of products of incomplete
>combustion (PICs). First, poor combustion contributes** directly to low
>energy efficiency, with its attendant problems of onerous human labor
>requirements** and pressure on biomass resources from harvesting. Second,
>some PICs are hazardous to health** when breathed in the concentrations
>commonly found in homes using unvented biomass stoves.** Third, a different
>set of PICs are strong direct or indirect greenhouse gases, potentially
>contributing** to global warming". (Source: 8 Mar 2007 <*
>http://www.whrc.org/policy/COP/India/Smith_1994.pdf.* >*
>
>How can a rural woman of India or any other country relate to any of Smith's
>three concerns resulting from poor biomass combustion -- low energy
>efficiency, hazards to health and greenhouse gasses?
>
>Can they measure low energy efficiency, sense some the PICs like CO and CO2
>and relate these to health hazards? How could they see, touch and feel or
>observe greenhouse gasses with their unaided senses?
>
>If their cookstove does the job of cooking and the wood is consumed in the
>stove as it should be, and if their life experience is that burning wood
>inevitably results in smoke and ashes what could they find possibly find
>wrong with their current stoves. If they see nothing wrong, how could it
>become necessary for them to change what they have been using for decades or
>generations.
>
>Greenhouse gasses ? how could they or most ordinary people ever relate to
>that? What is a greenhouse? What is a gas? If the gasses go up into the sky
>and disappears ? its gone for good ? no problem.
>The point of this post is that the target user must be taken much more
>seriously into consideration. The billion clean stoves idea is a good one;
>hopefully this post will give additional insights on the reasons for
>possible resistance to change among target users of improved or clean
>stoves.
>
>Cornel
>
>On 3/6/07, Paul S. Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Stovers and to "The Human Relief Organization" (HRO) (Copy sent as a
> > separate message to HRO.)
> >
> > It is very fitting that Tom Reed got mentioned relating to the "Billion
> > Stove
> > Program." I believe that Tom was the first to suggest such a high
> > goal. Of
> > course, the goal is shared by many, and no single organization or person
> > can
> > claim to control or coordinate or accomplish the installation of a billion
> > improved cookstoves. But it is good to have the goal and the broad
> > program
> > stated on the Internet.
> >
> > I have copied the three key paragraphs from the HRO website about the
> > Billion
> > Stove Program. Initial paragraphs describe the problem.
> >
> > ************ from HRO ***************
> > This problem that kills a million people a year, contributes to
> > deforestation
> > and terrible air pollution in many areas and affects up to half of the
> > world's
> > people is little known to most of us in developed countries that take for
> > granted clean, safe and convenient cooking, using gas, electric and
> > propane
> > stoves. Fortunately solutions to these problems exist in the form of
> > better
> > designed wood cooking stoves.
> >
> > The billion stoves program is about education, promotion and distribution
> > of
> > more efficient and cleaner burning biomass cooking stoves. It is called
> > "Billion Stoves" as an approximate number of improved biomass cooking
> > stoves
> > needed worldwide. Such improved stoves are already available and when
> > enough
> > of them are in use they will greatly reduce deforestation, labor for
> > collecting
> > cooking fuel, improve air quality and minimize the negative health effects
> > resulting from poor cooking methods.
> >
> > The billion stoves program will work through various partnerships with
> > corporate
> > sponsors, foreign governments, NGO's and humanitarian relief
> > agencies. This
> > program is meant to apply known solutions to this very large problem which
> > hampers the health and economic development of nearly half of the world's
> > people by applying the appropriate technological and social solutions to
> > where
> > they are needed.
> > ******************************** end of HRO text *********
> >
> > We note that HRO calls for working through various partnerships. And
> > certainly
> > PCIA and HEDON and ETHOS and Shell Foundation and others exemplify working
> > together.
> >
> > Suggestion: That the various entities (and individuals) discuss and
> > formalize
> > resolutions or Memorandum of Understanding or some such document to make
> > the
> > "Billion Stove" project or program or activities a truly SHARED goal. The
> > thought or intent for having a billion stoves is internal to
> > organizations like
> > the PCIA which is already a "Partnership for Clean Indoor Air." By
> > formalizing
> > the goal, those who are members and who will become members of PCIA will
> > have
> > direct and overt acknowledgement of supporting the Billion Stoves efforts.
> >
> > I believe that someday the name of Dr. Thomas B. Reed will be even more
> > closely
> > associated with the Billion Stove activities.
> >
> > Paul
> > --
> > Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
> > Telephone: USA-309-452-7072 (residence and office)
> > Internet site: www.ilstu.edu/~psanders
> > For my gasifier stoves info, go to:
> > http://bioenergylists.org/contributors#Paul_Anderson
> >
> >
> > Quoting Thomas Reed <tombreed at comcast.net>:
> >
> > >
> > > ALL:
> > >
> > > The announcement at
> > >
> > > http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/2/prweb507518.htm
> > >
> > > makes my 22 years invested in stove research all worth while. Thanks to
> > > all of you who have helped!
> > >
> > > The announcement is a little long to engrave on my tombreed tombstone,
> > > and I'm not ready for one yet at 81!* Look for new stove announcement
> > > soon.
> > >
> > > Lots of interesting reading at this website.
> > >
> > > TOM REED BEF/BEC
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:40:36 -0500
>From: "David G. LeVine" <dlevine at speakeasy.net>
>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Billion Stoves Program
>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
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>At 07:46 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >If we are to persuade rural women, we need to communicate effectively to
> them:
>
>Absolutely.
>
> >Kirk R. Smith, East-West Center, Honolulu, Hawaii wrote:
>
><snip>
>
> >If their cookstove does the job of cooking and the wood is consumed in the
> >stove as it should be, and if their life experience is that burning wood
> >inevitably results in smoke and ashes what could they find possibly find
> >wrong with their current stoves. If they see nothing wrong, how could it
> >become necessary for them to change what they have been using for decades or
> >generations.
>
>But they can understand that if they spend less
>time gathering fuel, they have more time to do
>other things. Give one stove to someone visible
>and have her tell people "I spend an hour less a
>day gathering fuel and cooking" and the others
>will listen. Enlightened self-interest wins
>again. Let her have enough time freed so she can
>be seen to relax and she will be the envy of others, which can be good or bad.
>
>What would happen if a stove made from discarded
>tin cans were given to one woman in the village
>and the method of building it was offered to
>others in comic form, then a stainless one was
>offered for a price with a small number given
>away? Well, I bet the tin can stoves (with their
>shorter lives) would be common and the stainless
>ones would become something desired by most
>people who started out on three rocks. Remember
>that claims the people can't see don't affect them, claims they can verify do.
>
> >Greenhouse gasses ? how could they or most ordinary people ever relate to
> >that? What is a greenhouse? What is a gas? If the gasses go up into the sky
> >and disappears ? its gone for good ? no problem.
> >The point of this post is that the target user must be taken much more
> >seriously into consideration. The billion clean stoves idea is a good one;
> >hopefully this post will give additional insights on the reasons for
> >possible resistance to change among target users of improved or clean
> >stoves.
>
>They won't and can't afford to care about this
>kind of issue: Their lives are at stake. Unless
>they survive to bring up their children, there is
>no way for their children to survive. If they
>don't make it until tomorrow, their children won't be around to worry about.
>
>
>David G. LeVine
>Nashua, NH 03060
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:00:53 -0800
>From: Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org>
>Subject: Re: [Stoves] Billion Stoves Program
>To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
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>David, Kirt.
>Its not that we need to communicate TO them. We need to engage them
>in communication their design issues with us at least ,....BEFORE we
>finalise THEIR designs FOR them.
>
>It seems almost impossible to get thiws point across: Namely that
>these, the fellow citisens of our planet have thoughts and concerns
>and and capacity and experience which is just as valid if not
>moreso, than our own. The problem is to get out and understand what
>they are saying and to include them AT THE OUTSET of design and
>development.
>Perhaps they need to communicate this TO us, eh ?
>R Stanley
>
> =========================================
>On Mar 8, 2007, at 07:40, David G. LeVine wrote:
>
> > At 07:46 AM 3/8/2007, you wrote:
> >> If we are to persuade rural women, we need to communicate
> >> effectively to them:
> >
> > Absolutely.
> >
> >> Kirk R. Smith, East-West Center, Honolulu, Hawaii wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> If their cookstove does the job of cooking and the wood is
> >> consumed in the
> >> stove as it should be, and if their life experience is that
> >> burning wood
> >> inevitably results in smoke and ashes what could they find
> >> possibly find
> >> wrong with their current stoves. If they see nothing wrong, how
> >> could it
> >> become necessary for them to change what they have been using for
> >> decades or
> >> generations.
> >
> > But they can understand that if they spend less
> > time gathering fuel, they have more time to do
> > other things. Give one stove to someone visible
> > and have her tell people "I spend an hour less a
> > day gathering fuel and cooking" and the others
> > will listen. Enlightened self-interest wins
> > again. Let her have enough time freed so she can
> > be seen to relax and she will be the envy of others, which can be
> > good or bad.
> >
> > What would happen if a stove made from discarded
> > tin cans were given to one woman in the village
> > and the method of building it was offered to
> > others in comic form, then a stainless one was
> > offered for a price with a small number given
> > away? Well, I bet the tin can stoves (with their
> > shorter lives) would be common and the stainless
> > ones would become something desired by most
> > people who started out on three rocks. Remember
> > that claims the people can't see don't affect them, claims they can
> > verify do.
> >
> >> Greenhouse gasses how could they or most ordinary people ever
> >> relate to
> >> that? What is a greenhouse? What is a gas? If the gasses go up
> >> into the sky
> >> and disappears its gone for good no problem.
> >> The point of this post is that the target user must be taken much
> >> more
> >> seriously into consideration. The billion clean stoves idea is a
> >> good one;
> >> hopefully this post will give additional insights on the reasons for
> >> possible resistance to change among target users of improved or clean
> >> stoves.
> >
> > They won't and can't afford to care about this
> > kind of issue: Their lives are at stake. Unless
> > they survive to bring up their children, there is
> > no way for their children to survive. If they
> > don't make it until tomorrow, their children won't be around to
> > worry about.
> >
> >
> > David G. LeVine
> > Nashua, NH 03060
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date:
> > 3/8/2007 10:58 AM
> >
> >
> >
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