[Stoves] The PROTOS Plant Oil Cooker

[Peter Singfield]

One should also consider engine lubrication oil ---

Coconut oil is excellent in diesel engines as fuel and lubricant oil.

Castor oil is an excellent engine lubricant.

Jatropha???

Sam -- Jatropha is a plant originating in the Yucatec Maya domain -- right
where I am typing this from.

Traditionally -- it was no used as a source of oil though -- but as a
living fence with excellent insect repellent properties.

Course -- modern industrialized "Green Revolution" now does that much
better -- using insecticides.

AD -- you might be more interested in the "fencing" properties to protect
crops than in the oil value??

Janus was the organization promoting Jatropha -- and they did a large
plantation experiment here.

They got conned by the local land sharks - -developers -- and ended up
paying for land that belonged to local farmers -- that did not own that
land as property -- but as "leased" land from the government.

"Money" speaks in little 3rd world countries -- and Janus was not going to
swallow that loss -- so title papers were "arranged" for additional costs
and many local "poor" farmers ended up displaced from their ancestral farm
lands -- generations invested -- stolen away from them.

Janus and Jatropha thus became a hated name here -- and after a while --
Janus became "discouraged" by all the ill will they had generated and moved
onto greener pastures.

Moral -- once a barbarian blooded seed eating European -- always one --
never trust any of them!!

India better be "careful"!!!

Jatropha fanatics are quite aggressive --- anything to accomplish their
mission sort of people.

The Mayan farmers but 30 miles west of where Janus bought their "ranch"
here in Belize still use Jatropha as living fence. You can drive down mile
after mile of road seeing these there.

Janus was ever "Bragging" that they had discovered Jatropha and were on a
mission to introduce it to the naked savages of this area of the planet --
that do not know anything -- stupid people -- brown skin color -- etc.

That they would rise up their standards of life -- using prophets to build
more "Christian" schools and more "Christian" Churches -- 

Modern Crusaders -- or what -- eh??

OK -- people on these lists absolutely abhor "discussions" that deal with
realities -- in the field -- so to speak.

So I will shut up and butt out.

Two oil plants are being highly promoted in Belize and Guatemala these days.

In Guatemala -- large African Oil Palm plantations.

Here in Belize -- Coconuts.

We also have much wild oil -- that is already plentiful in the great
wilderness parks here -- cohune.

This was what the ancient Maya used for oil -- eating -- cooking -- lights
-- etc.

It is totally naturally sustainable -- it is an ancient part of the
ecosystem here - -and exists in vast quantities already.

But European Greens control in a most totalitarian manner our parks here --
and restrict with great force all access to the cohune stands for people to
harvest these nuts.

Instead they promote Jatropha!!

Once an ignorant barbarian -- always an ignorant barbarian!!

The thick nut shell from cohunes makes the world's best activated charcoal.

Civilized people would have sent resources in helping promote traditional
oil supply methology -- that is naturally self sustainable -- rather than
introducing Jatropha!!

Never mind taking more lands away from the locals (Maya) --

54% of the total land surface area of Belize is now "wilderness" parks
created for the most part with european resources -- and no Maya is allowed
to farm or other access to those areas now.

Some things just never change.

India -- be warned!!

When that old saying was presented:

"The road to hell is paved with the souls of people claiming to do good"

They were referring to Europeans!!

Now we know that originally 80% of the total area of earth was "garden" --
not wilderness -- that wilderness parks are terrible factors for global
warming "increase" (they no longer lock carbon in roots -- being mature and
over mature -- but do rot a lot of vegetation -- as methane -- which is 22
times more and absorbent of solar heat than CO2)

"Garden" as in the traditional Maya Milpa system produced Terra Preta and
locked 1/3 of the biomass produced by solar energy in the ground as "roots"
over a repeating 7 year cycle.

Milpa is totally condemned by the "Greens"!!

Oh -- I could go on for days -- but what would be the point -- you can't
reason with a barbarian mentality.

Worse -- they have nukes at hand besides!! To enforce their wills!!

(But of course -- they are totally against nuke power plants -- and
especially for 3rd world countries!!)

So lets just ignore all reasonable thought process -- after all - we know
"rapture" is a promise.

India -- be warned!!

The "Greens are against palm oils -- soon they will be against coconut
plantations (same reason) -- but hey -- Jatropha oil is OK!!

Peter/Belize

At 07:30 PM 5/4/2007 +0530, you wrote:
>Dear Mr. Shiroff,
>The price of Rs. 25 per kg of  Jatropha oil is a fraudulently low price. The
>present price of non-edible oils in India is around Rs.40 per kg (about
>1US$). The price of vegetable oils keeps rising from year to year. The land
>along the railway tracks belongs to the Government of India. The Government
>does not have the resources to plant and take care of a linear plantation
>stretching over thousands of kilometers. It can only be done if the land is
>leased to villagers living along the railway track, but it is a potentially
>dangerous thing to do, because once the land is handed over to the people,
>it would be practically impossible to evict them. The railway ministry is
>especially notorious for its leniency towards squatters. Squatters are
>living for generations on railway platforms and the railway does nothing
>about them. In a democracy, one does not antagonise voters.
>Yours
>A.D.Karve
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Shiroff, Samuel Neal (VB 3) <Samuel.Shiroff at BSHG.COM>
>To: <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 1:30 PM
>Subject: [Stoves] The PROTOS Plant Oil Cooker
>
>
>It should probably be noted that the Indian entity most likely to benefit
>from strong support of Jatropha also happens to be one of its largest
>employers as well as most powerful organizations: namely the Indian
>railroad.  Their plans to plant Jatropha along the tens of thousands of
>kilometers of tracks could be a real cash cow  - especially with a
>guaranteed price floor of 25 rupees per litre.   They have idle land, idle
>manpower and a lot of political sway.
>
>Concurrently, I support the principle of not using edible crops for fuel.
>Naturally when the alternative is to waste the food-oil that is another
>story - for instance coconuts in the Philippines.
>
>Sam
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