[Stoves] global warming

[dr a d karve]

Dear Mr. Chauhan,
we are not working with producer gas but with biogas. It is produced from
waste food and not from dung. The vegetable markets in the cities and the
restaurants produce huge amounts of waste, having a good potential for
biogas production. One can use 80% biogas and 20% diesel to run a diesel
engine.
The prices of our cooking devices and fuel producing systems range from
Rs.300 to Rs. 9000. We have wood burning cement stoves, wood burning
pyrolysis gas stoves, sawdust stoves, charcoal stoves, biogas stoves in
sizes ranging from household size to hostel size. We have kilns for making
charcoal from light agro-waste like sugarcane leaves, wheat straw, cotton
stalks. We also have biogas plants ranging in sizes from 1 cubic meter to
`10 cubic meters. They cost roughly Rs. 10,000 per cubic meter.(1
US$=Rs.40).
Yes, I know that there are people who earn less than a dollar per day. We
can give them all work to do. Our charcoal making technology requires a
capital investment of US$200, with which a family can earn daily net income
of US$12.5. The charcoal is made from agricultural waste and not from tree
trunks. We can provide work to every rural unemployed family in India using
only 400 million tonnes of agricultural waste. India produces annually about
800 million tonnes of agricultural waste. The demand for charcoal is so
great that we cannot produce enough to satisfy the demand.
Yours
A.D.Karve
----- Original Message -----
From: rnv impex <rnvimpex at gmail.com>
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] global warming


> Dear Dr. Karve,
>
> Yes I didn't know of these Figures. Do please keep up the Good Works.My
only
> plea is
> to lay emphasis not so much on Net income grossed as on the long term
> Utility of the Stove and it's effect on the trees..Is there a repeat order
> ?. The Poor get very easily influenced by big Names and
> Organizations such as you have. In India we have around 400 Million living
> on less than
> a $ a day.I could easily swing their Thought process from a Big Staged
> show.I'm a little
> bit off Using tree shoots for stoves designed to fire on this .Look inside
> Any Poor house,
> you'll find Tree Trunks left to dry out as Fuel for Yr stove.
> Oh by the way what does your stove cost ?
> Sir, I'm in favor of Your Bio -Gasifiers.What would it cost to construct a
> 50 Kva Gasifier.The
> Producer Gas is to Power a Diesel Gen Set . Engine Bhp 70 Kw -Alt 50
> kva.Feed Stock Rice Husk.Diesel 20 % : PG 80%????????. Keep in mind Power
> loss 35%.
> I'm also in Favor of making  Centralized Gasifiers that'll provide
> Electricity to the whole Village
> Lighting / Cooking. In Burma each house contributed US$ 4 and we made a
650
> kva Gasifier
> to power the Village.Earlier each house became a smoke stack preparing
> meals! The money spent by each house that you have collected could have
well
> powered several thousand
> Villages.Lesser Carbon Print.Yr Organization can make a useful Difference.
> We could have meaningful Discussions.
>
> Yr thoughts on the above please , Sir.
>
> Nickey Chauhan.
>
>
> On 10/4/07, dr a d karve <adkarve at pn2.vsnl.net.in> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Mr. Chauhan,
> > Thanks for the compliments, but let me correct a misconception about
> > people
> > not buying improved stoves.  During a pilot project funded by Shell
> > Foundation, we were able to sell 75,000 improved stoves through village
> > level energy entrepreneurs in the state of Maharashtra. Now, in the
second
> > phase of this project, we have plans of selling one million stoves by
the
> > year 2010. The money made available by Shell Foundation is utilized
mainly
> >
> > for propaganda, publicity and awareness generation, and for training of
> > the
> > village artisans in construction of our stoves, biogas plants and making
> > charcoal from agricultural waste.  No funds have been allocated for
> > subsidizing the price of the cooking devices. In monetary terms, our
> > energy
> > entrepreneurs have already grossed about Rs.30 million (US$750,000)
since
> > January 2005.
> > Yours
> > A.D.Karve
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: rnv impex <rnvimpex at gmail.com>
> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Stoves] global warming
> >
> >
> > > Well Done ADK, ( Karve)
> > >
> > > I fully endorse this View . So much Quality Brain Power is going into
> > making
> > > Stupid Stoves which the poor are not going
> > > to use anyways, once, the free gift is over.They will not deviate from
> > > their  three stone methods ,which works almost
> > > equally well. Each Developing Country has devised it's own Cheaper !
> > version
> > > of this 3  stone formula in general, with
> > > clay wrapped around it in various shapes.
> > >
> > > Use yr massive Brain Power for discovering other forms of
Energy -other
> > than
> > > sticks that promote deforestation
> > >
> > > Nickey Chauhan.
> >
> >
> >
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