[Stoves] global warming

Fri Sep 28 12:51:58 EDT 2007

Greetings Nicky and Stovers,

You bring up a good point about the three stone fire and how hard it is 
to convert users to a new method. The three stone fire does so much; 
heat. light, cooking, drawing the family together, providing busy work, 
atmosphere, tradition and much more subtleties we don't even realize. A 
designed cooking stove can replace the cooking aspect but I don't see it 
replacing the three stone fire because of all the other benefits.  
Eating a hot meal in the cold and dark will not do.

So I am thinking of this: We encourage the use of a good  stove for 
cooking  in the kitchen that is pollution free, easy to use, quick and 
safe. Then work on a better 'three stone fire' in the family room that 
does all that the three stone fire does now - but safer and more fuel 
efficient.  Perhaps a smoke  stack with a cone to reflect the heat down 
to those sitting around it  and the use of  specialty fuels.

Its specialty fuels that act like the real thing we need to work on.The 
pressed wood & wax log I now use in my fireplace is a good example. 
Shaped like a fireplace stick of wood and wrapped with paper that has a 
picture of wood on the outside wrapper fools me every time. So much 
easier to light and much less smoke. We can collect different small 
fuels in an area and analyze for the proximate analysis. Based on the 
analysis and what we know about clean burning we formulate a mix that we 
stick together or press them into cardboard tubes in the same shape as 
the fuel they now use. This can all be collected and pressed on site 
from the same people that once collected the sticks. This same fuel can 
be used both in the rocket or TLUD and also in the evening three stone 
fire. No deforestation and a safer environment with little change to the 
balance of living. Seems so easy : )

Something like that.....

Frank

rnv impex wrote:

>Well Done ADK, ( Karve)
>
>I fully endorse this View . So much Quality Brain Power is going into making
>Stupid Stoves which the poor are not going
>to use anyways, once, the free gift is over.They will not deviate from
>their  three stone methods ,which works almost
>equally well. Each Developing Country has devised it's own Cheaper ! version
>of this 3  stone formula in general, with
>clay wrapped around it in various shapes.
>
>Use yr massive Brain Power for discovering other forms of Energy -other than
>sticks that promote deforestation
>
>Nickey Chauhan.
>
>On 9/27/07, Gloria Chaonamwene <gloriachaonamwene at mbsmw.org> wrote:
>  
>
>>Have a look at this site.
>>http://environment.independent.co.uk/climate_change/article2675747.ece
>>Gloria
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "adkarve" <adkarve at pn2.vsnl.net.in>
>>To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:05 PM
>>Subject: [Stoves] global warming
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>>>Dear Stovers,
>>>I have some new information about global warming. Now that the ice cap
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>>on
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>>>the Arctic Sea has melted, the rate of evaporation of water from the
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>>Arctic
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>>>Sea is going to be higher than usual, with greater snowfall in Canada,
>>>Northern Europe and Siberia. The extra snow would not melt completely in
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>>the
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>>>following summer. This would lead to building of glaciers, which would
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>>start
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>>>moving southwards. It is thus the beginning of the next ice age. As more
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>>and
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>>>more water gets locked up in the glaciers every year, the level of the
>>>Arctic Sea would fall. Warm water would flow from the Atlantic into the
>>>Arctic Sea through the gap between Greenland and Norway and from the
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>>Pacific
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>>>through the Baring Strait, till these two oceans would also be depleted
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>>of
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>>>water. When the Baring strait and the land bridge between Greenland and
>>>Norway get exposed, the flow of water from the Pacific and Atlantic into
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>>the
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>>>Arctic Sea would stop. Without the influx of warm water, the Arctic Sea
>>>would freeze again, stopping the process of glaciation. The Glaciers
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>>would
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>>>then start receding. It is a cyclic process, which has nothing to do
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>>with
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>>>green house gases. But the good thing about the global warming scare is
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>>that
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>>>a lot of researchers working on improving stoves would get funding till
>>>people realise that this is all a hoax.
>>>Yours
>>>A.D.Karve
>>>
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