[Stoves] Sustainable Stove Enterprises

[George Riegg Gambia]

i'm not sure but i think the ugandan programme is run by jp morgan climate 
care. i met with them in dakar in september at the african carbon forum and 
they are now re-looking at their own policy in terms of taking on board 
stove programmes - they are now looking at bundling as it seems that no 
matter how "substancial" an individual programme is, on a global scale of 
economics its more profitable to install a massive wind or solar farm 
somewhere with carbon credits and earn x % fee than selling stoves even if 
its in the 10's of thousands.

this is just an assumption i am making - anybody knows more facts please do 
correct me.

george from the jungle
looking for funding to TRAIN the community
and set up manufacturing facilities - i.e capital investment
to be able to SELL stoves on a commercial basis
because yes i do think it can be done

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "tom abeles" <tabeles at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2009 2:42 AM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 23

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>    1. Re: Sustainable Stove Enterprises (Crispin Pemberton-Pigott)
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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:06:15 -0500
> From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Sustainable Stove Enterprises
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> Dear Tom
>
> I think there are a few.
>
> Malawi has one making mostly institutional Rocket Stoves that are sold
> mostly to WFP (does that count?).
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> The Ugandan producer (sorry to have not noted his name nearby) is making
> scads of money by selling at a commercial price and collecting CO2 money
> that is more than the selling price. Nice product. Have pics. I do not 
> know
> who the buyers are though.
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HOW DO WE SET UP A PROGRAM TO CAPTURE THE CO2 CREDITS FOR THESE OR ANY OTHER 
ENERGY EFFICIENT STOVE OF THE TYPE DISCUSSED ON THIS LIST? iF THAT WERE 
POSSIBLE THROUGH A UNIFORM MECHANISM THEN MANY OF THESE COULD BE SOLD TO END 
USERS IN A STRAIGHT BUSINESS FASHION AND NOT NEED TO BE PURCHASED BY AN NGO 
AND GIVEN AWAY

thoughts?

tom

Tom Abeles
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> The Parasafe Stove is I think at the commercially viable level. Some are
> sold with a subsidy and other are not. Sales are doing well I hear.
>
> The Vesto sells at a viable level. I don't think it would stand on its own
> as a single product. It is part of a range of products. The customers are 
> in
> the 'unsupported' class about half the time I would guess. Quite a number
> are given to child-headed households.
>
> How about Samson's concrete stove in Ethiopia? I thought that was doing
> really well.
>
> Just a few...
>
> Regards
> Crispin