[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 31, Issue 22

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>   1. Re: [Gasification] Urgent call for information from IBI
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>   2. Re: TOM REED moving to Barre, Mass (tombreed at comcast.net)
>   3. Re: TOM REED moving to Barre, Mass (nari phaltan)
>   4. HEDON newsletter (16/01/2009) (Clair Marrey)
>   5. Sustainable Stove Enterprises (Tom Miles)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 15:38:12 -0600
> From: "Paul S. Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Gasification] Urgent call for information from
>    IBI
> To: kelpie at kelpiewilson.com, Discussion of biomass pyrolysis and
>    gasification <gasification at listserv.repp.org>, KELPIE WILSON
>    <kelpie at dishmail.net>
> Cc: gasification at listserv.repp.org,    STOVES - Listserve
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> Kelpie,
>
> You are aware of the Chip Energy biomass grill and biomass furnace,  
> and that
> they are excellent for creating biochar.  This would be in your  
> category:
> Biochar production - stoves and village scale pyrolysis.  I am not  
> sure
> what you
> want written up about that.  Here is some info:
>
> Description:
>
> The Biomass Grill and the Biomass Furnace produced by Chip Energy  
> have the
> capability to generate biochar if the user desires to do so.  These  
> are true
> updraft gasifiers that can operate continuously and utilize a wide  
> variety of
> dry biomass fuels.  The yield of biochar can be approximately 20% of
> the weight
> of the raw fuel.  For anyone testing the qualities of biochar from  
> diverse
> biomass fuels, the Biomass Grill is an extremely appropriate  
> starting point to
> learn and utilize continuous updraft gasification.  (And it will also
> cook your
> meals or provide heat for other purposes.)  Price of the standard unit
> is US$300
> plus shipping.  Custom made units will be priced in accordance with  
> your
> specifications.  Further information is available at:  www.chipenergy.com
>
> Contact info:
>
> Paul W. Wever, President, Chip Energy, Goodfield, Illinois
> E-mail:  pwever at pwce.com    Phone:  309-965-2005
> Website:  www.chipenergy.com
>
> ****************
>
> If you need other info, please contact me or Paul Wever.
>
> Paul
>
> -- 
> Paul S. Anderson, Ph.D., Geography professor - Emeritus
> Telephone:  USA-309-452-7072 (residence and office)
> Internet site:  www.ilstu.edu/~psanders
> For my gasifier stoves info, go to:
> http://bioenergylists.org/contributors#Paul_Anderson
>
> Quoting KELPIE WILSON <kelpie at dishmail.net>:
>
>> Dear gasification list members,
>>
>> The International Biochar Initiative is in the midst of a major  
>> upgrade to
>> our website. The new site will have many more resources available  
>> (such as
>> bibliographies and a member directory) to help members develop  
>> their biochar
>> projects and create more networking opportunities.
>>
>> Right now we are looking for some quick input from researchers,  
>> developers
>> and farmers about the projects you are currently working on. This  
>> will give
>> us a much-needed overview of the biochar and pyrolysis landscape.  
>> Please
>> take a moment to send me (kelpie at dishmail.net) a brief description  
>> and
>> contact information for any projects you are involved in or know  
>> about that
>> fall into the categories below:
>>
>> Scientific field and pot trials
>> Biochar use in working farms
>> Biochar production - large scale pyrolysis
>> Biochar production - stoves and village scale pyrolysis
>>
>> Many thanks for your help. And if you have any ideas for content  
>> for IBI's
>> new website, please send those along too.
>>
>> Again, please send to kelpie at dishmail.net
>>
>> --
>> Kelpie Wilson
>> IBI Media Liaison
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 04:08:08 +0000 (UTC)
> From: tombreed at comcast.net
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] TOM REED moving to Barre, Mass
> To: crispin at newdawn.sz,    Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> Dear Crispin:
>
> It would certainly be great to see you in Barre, and you could spend  
> the night in one of our 5 bedrooms. We are about 60 Miles West of  
> Boston, and I could meet you somewhere in between, depending on your  
> means of transport.
>
> When your plans firm up, give more info and I'll give instuctions.
>
> TOM
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"  
> <stoves at listserv.repp.org>, "GasificATION" <GASIFICATION at listserv.repp.org 
> >
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 10:35:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada  
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] TOM REED moving to Barre, Mass
>
> Dear Dr Tom I found 2 photos of Barre, Mass posted on GMaps. What a  
> lovely looking place. I too am losing my research lab in Swaziland  
> when a couple of weeks from now a few of the staff gain control of  
> the manufacturing facility at ATEX in Matsapha. The idea is to build  
> capacity in Waterloo and Johannesburg (SeTAR). It would be great to  
> get to you in you new location. It is certainly closer and almost  
> 'on the way' somewhere. My only trips to the area were when I was  
> accepted at RISD in Providence in the days of yore. Endless rolling  
> hills. That is what motorcycles were made for. Let's make a plan to  
> meet. Regards Crispin From: Thomas Reed  
> [mailto:tombreed at comcast.net] Dear Crispin and All: I'm in the midst  
> of a move from my home in Denver of 30 years to a small town in  
> Barre, Massachusetts. We have bought an elegant 1850 home on the  
> corner of the town square and can walk to the library, bank, church,  
> stores, band concerts.... We are moving in part to be close to my  
> daughter who has an Alpaca farm and 75 acres of harwoods; in part  
> because it is important to keep changing if you want to keep fresh.  
> I'm closing out my lab here and starting a new one there that will  
> focus more on charcoal and its known and unknown properties. The  
> BioChar Energy Corp. lab will continue to function here in Golden,  
> CO and I'll be in continual contact with them working from  
> Massachusetts. I hope that any of you who would like to visit our  
> new facilities and are in the area will consider a visit to us in  
> Barre. For the time being I can be reached on my cell at 303 913  
> 2074, my Gmail at tombreed111 at gmail.com or Snail at 46 Broad St.,  
> Barre, MA 01005. <><><>> >From the beginning of my biomass career I  
> have been fascinated by densification of all kinds of biomass as a  
> sin qua non of the successful use of biomass. There has been a lot  
> of great traffic at this site just as I am moving which I haven't  
> been able to follow in detail. I hope someone will assume the mantle  
> of densification GURU and send an occasional summary as things gel.  
> We have lot of waste biomass in our new site and I'd like to get  
> densifying. My best to all... TOM REED
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:32:55 +0530
> From: "nari phaltan" <nariphaltan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] TOM REED moving to Barre, Mass
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at listserv.repp.org>
> Cc: tombreed111 at gmail.com
> Message-ID:
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> Dear Tom,
>
> Barre looks like even prettier than your present home. I still have  
> fond
> memories of my stay in your Golden house with you and Vivian long ago
> (almost 20 years!). Boston area is really lovely specially during  
> fall. My
> only contact with that area was when I delivered couple of lectures  
> at MIT
> in Mechanical Engineering couple of years ago.
>
> All the best on your new retirement plan.
>
> Anil
>
>
> On 1/10/09, Thomas Reed <tombreed at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Crispin and All:
>>
>> I'm in the midst of a move from my home in Denver of 30 years to a  
>> small
>> town in Barre, Massachusetts.  We have bought an elegant 1850 home  
>> on the
>> corner of the town square and can walk to the library, bank,  
>> church, stores,
>> band concerts....    We are moving in part to be close to my  
>> daughter who
>> has an Alpaca farm and 75 acres of harwoods; in part because it is  
>> important
>> to keep changing if you want to keep fresh.
>>
>> I'm closing out my lab here and starting a new one there that will  
>> focus
>> more on charcoal and its known and unknown properties.  The BioChar  
>> Energy
>> Corp. lab will continue to function here in Golden, CO and I'll be in
>> continual contact with them working from Massachusetts.
>> I hope that any of you who would like to visit our new facilities  
>> and are
>> in the area will consider a visit to us in Barre.  For the time  
>> being I can
>> be reached on my cell at 303 913 2074, my Gmail at tombreed111 at gmail.comor 
>>  Snail at 46 Broad St., Barre, MA 01005. <><><>>
>>
>> From the beginning of my biomass career I have been fascinated by
>> densification of all kinds of biomass as a sin qua non of the  
>> successful use
>> of biomass.  There has been a lot of great traffic at this site  
>> just as I am
>> moving which I haven't been able to follow in detail.  I hope  
>> someone will
>> assume the mantle of densification GURU and send an occasional  
>> summary as
>> things gel.  We have lot of waste biomass in our new site and I'd  
>> like to
>> get densifying.
>> My best to all...
>>
>> TOM REED
>>
>>
>> Tom Reed
>> Biomass Energy & Carbon
>> Chief Scientist
>> http://www.biomassec.com
>>
>>
>>
>> Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Frank
>>>
>>> If you come with a big eraser, you are going to make progress. You  
>>> should
>>> see my junk pile! Wish I could erase that....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I believe there is a lot yet to learn regarding optimum air flow  
>>>> for a
>>>> type of fuel and void space.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, and there is a lot of difficulty getting meaningful direct
>>> measurements. I am watching your method with interest. It seemed  
>>> whacky to
>>> start with but might work well for obtaining certain information.
>>>
>>> I have managed to obtain two 8mm diameter velocity measuring  
>>> probes that
>>> are
>>> 0.1 m/s accurate. At least it is a start. I suspect that chip/nugget
>>> cooling
>>> is a major consideration when it comes to slow burners like  
>>> gasifiers and
>>> top loaded, downdraft stoves - basically continuous burners. The  
>>> specific
>>> challenge is how to predict the maximum time a stove can burn for  
>>> based on
>>> its dimensions. 6-8 hrs is needed for a space heating stove.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> We stovers work at such small scale that test methods for coal  
>>>> and other
>>>> procedures designed for large combustion chambers do not apply  
>>>> and we need
>>>> to develop our own methods.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is an enormous part of the problem. I was looking at the stove
>>> standards of a country in Asia for ideas and the standard covers  
>>> domestic
>>> stoves up to 80 KW (!) which is hardly realistic for a 4 kw  
>>> cooker. It
>>> called for on-site inspection every 5 years.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Crispin
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:22:40 -0800
> From: "Clair Marrey" <clair at ecoharmony.com>
> Subject: [Stoves] HEDON newsletter (16/01/2009)
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
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> HAPPY NEW YEAR!
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> Welcome to the first email newsletter of the HEDON Household Energy
> Network for 2009. We hope you will find the information below
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> * Requests - 1 new
> * Events - 12 upcoming
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> ==WHAT'S NEW AT HEDON==
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> ==NEWS==
> - online at http://www.hedon.info/news.htm
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> Contains 12 new documents.
>
> ===Access to energy no panacea in war on poverty===
>
> "Access to modern forms of energy does not guarantee a reduction in
> poverty. Contrary to what current macroeconomic studies would have us
> believe, more than just electricity, gas or diesel is needed."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1313/news.htm
>
> ===Safer, efficient stoves improving quality of life in Latin
> America===
>
> "For a long time, one of the holy grails of rural development has
> been a simple stove to replace the dangerous & inefficient open fires
> used in villages around the world."  John Burnett writes on the impact
> a new stove has made in Latin America.
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1312/news.htm
>
> ===Energy crisis in Uganda: Charcoal no longer a cheaper option===
>
> Gerald Tenywa writes on how the masses are coping."Most Kampala
> residents have shifted from using electricity to charcoal, previously
> regarded as a cheap source of energy for the poor. But the charcoal
> prices have doubled within less than a year."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1311/news.htm
>
> ===Rwanda: Cost of gas to decrease this year===
>
> George Kagame writes in The New Times: "Kigali - Beginning this year,
> government is set to introduce incentives for importers of cooking
> gas, by reducing its levies on the product to make it affordable for
> many Rwandans."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1310/news.htm
>
> ===Stoves help keep Darfur's women out of harm's way===
>
>> From CNN, Washington; "In Sudan's Darfur region, where violence and
> genocide are rampant, women risk their lives every day performing
> tasks as seemingly mundane as seeking out firewood."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1309/news.htm
>
> ===Symposium December 2008: Household Energy: New ways to protect the
> climate and reduce poverty===
>
> How can we provide 2.5 billion people with clean cooking energy? What
> kind of contribution could this mean for poverty alleviation & climate
> protection? What accomplishments have been made to date?
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1308/news.htm
>
> ===New GVEP International website takes off....!===
>
>> From GVEP International, posted by Laure EGO, 16th Dec 2008: "This
> year we have been developing our new interactive website which aims
> to provide our Partners with the information they require to
> accelerate access to energy."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1307/news.htm
>
> ===Review of Solutions to Global Warming, Air Pollution, and Energy
> Security===
>
> The study, which claims to be "the first comparative evaluation of
> proposed large-scale energy solutions to global warming, air
> pollution, and energy security", considered the implications of using
> each of 11 different energy sources.
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1305/news.htm
>
> ==="Sustainable Energy - without the hot air"===
>
> A HEDON member has recommended a book to our readers, 'Sustainable
> Energy - without the hot air' by David JC MacKay. It is available to
> download here for free. Read his review below:
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1301/news.htm
>
> ===Financing domestic biogas plants: SNV Workshop Proceedings
> 2008===
>
> Wim van Nes from the Netherlands Development Programme (SNV) has sent
> us the proceedings of their (SNV) international workshop on the
> financing of domestic biogas plants, which took place on October
> 22-23, 2008 in Bangkok, Thailand.
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1300/news.htm
>
> Do you have relevant household energy news? Please send them to us by
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> ==TENDER OPPORTUNITIES==
> - online at http://www.hedon.info/tenders/news.htm
>
> Contains 2 new documents.
>
> ===Calling entrepreneurs for sustainable development: SEED Awards
> 2009 is open for submissions===
>
> "Do you have an entrepreneurial or innovative idea that is
> locally-driven and has great potential to contribute to sustainable
> development in developing and transition countries? Do you need
> support to become established and to increase your impact? "
>
> Deadline: 16?March?2009
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1306/news.htm
>
> ===GVEP seeking consultants to develop project appraisal documents in
> Tanzania, Uganda & Rwanda===
>
> GVEP International is looking for expressions of interest from
> consultants based in Tanzania, Uganda and Rwanda to produce appraisal
> documents of our activities running from 2009-2012.
>
> Deadline: 30?January?2009
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1304/news.htm
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> Do you have relevant tender opportunity announcements? Please send
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> ==REQUESTS==
> - online at http://www.hedon.info/requests/news.htm
>
> Contains 1 new documents.
>
> ===The Nepal Trust - Working with Health, Community Development and
> hope in the 'Hidden Himalayas'===
>
> "The Nepal Trust provides integrated rural development in the far
> North West of Nepal. Our main objective is to help create community
> projects that emphasize local participation and responsibility and
> give hope to the people of this very remote area."
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1303/news.htm
>
> Do you have relevant requests? Looking for an answer to something?
> Please send requests to us by return email!
>
> ==COURSES==
> - online at http://www.hedon.info/courses/news.htm
>
> Contains 1 new documents.
>
> ===Introduction to Solar Energy Course,  Mexico City 2009===
>
> This course will cover the fundamentals of solar energy with solar
> panels with an emphasis in urban installations where the electric
> energy grid is available.
>
> Starting: 03?February?2009
>
> More details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/1297/news.htm
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> ==EVENTS AND MEETINGS==
> - online at http://www.hedon.info/events.htm
>
> Contains 12 events. Showing nearest 10. Visit
> http://www.hedon.info//events.htm for the full list.
>
> ===ETHOS CONFERENCE===
>
> To be held in United States, starting 23?January?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/635/events.htm
>
> ===LONDON REGIONAL INTEREST GROUP (LONDONRIG)===
>
> To be held in United Kingdom, starting 29?January?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/622/events.htm
>
> ===ENERGY AND CLIMATE SUMMIT 2009 - MEETING NEW CHALLENGES===
>
> To be held in India, starting 03?February?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/648/events.htm
>
> ===DEHLI SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT SUMMIT 2009===
>
> To be held in India, starting 05?February?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/649/events.htm
>
> ===EUROPEAN PELLET CONFERENCE 2009, AUSTRIA ===
>
> To be held in Austria, starting 25?February?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/643/events.htm
>
> ===ASIA FORUM FOR CLEAN ENERGY FINANCING===
>
> To be held in Singapore, starting 03?March?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/639/events.htm
>
> ===GREEN ENERGY SUMMIT 2009===
>
> To be held in India, starting 03?March?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/651/events.htm
>
> ===2009 PCIA FORUM===
>
> To be held in Uganda, starting 24?March?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/610/events.htm
>
> ===THE INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE ON EVALUATION & DEVELOPMENT IN
> AFRICA, 2009===
>
> To be held in Egypt, starting 29?March?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/642/events.htm
>
> ===THE FUTURE OF BIOFUELS CONFERENCE===
>
> To be held in United States, starting 04?April?2009
>
> Full details online at:
> http://www.hedon.info/650/events.htm
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> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 07:33:28 -0800
> From: "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> Subject: [Stoves] Sustainable Stove Enterprises
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
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> A visit yesterday by a list member prompted the following question:
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> Are there any sustainable stove enterprises?
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> That is, is anyone at an individual or company level making improved  
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> stoves (or fuels) as a business and selling them without the help of  
> an NGO
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> I thought that the Anagi stove in Sri Lanka was made mostly by  
> independent
> potters and that the production of the New Lao Bucket in Cambodia was
> independent. Have the rocket stove enterprises that were launched by  
> GTZ in
> Malawi and Uganda become independent or are they largely dependent  
> on orders
> or subsidies from NGO's?
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> Tom
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