[Stoves] BP pellet stove
paaw at online.no
Fri Jul 24 01:21:08 CDT 2009
Paul and other stovers
Some time ago I was given an Oorja stove for testing and comparison
to the Peko Pe. I have always been dubious to the use of fan in small
cooking stoveand I still am.. Why use batteries and fan when TLUD-NDs are
performing almost the same without fan. Another problem with the Oorja was
the cast Iron grid in the bottom of the stove. When flame was over the grid
was white glowing almost 1000C°! and really dangerous to balance taking out
the glowing charcoal for refilling. Karve is mention the batteries to be
replaced after 6 month, normal available local produced batteries last
hardly for making one meal. And when the fan was of there was quite a lot of
smoke. When the fan was on you had quite a lot of flying ashes. I think low
income people rather will use power for loading batteries for mobile-phone
than for cooking..The Oorja could take only pellets as fuel.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul S Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu>
To: <crispinpigott at gmail.com>; "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
<stoves at listserv.repp.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Stoves] BP pellet stove
> I have followed the progress on the BP pellet stove for nearly five years
> (sometimes pledged to not speak about it publicly). It was and still is
> the largest TLUD cookstove project to date. There was only one
> production model (with fan-forced air), called the Oorja or Urja,
> depending on the languages in India. About 400,000 units were produced,
> I heard just before the PCIA meeting in Uganda this year. But BP did not
> send anyone to that meeting, and we were suspicious, and there were
> rumors of the BP pull-out.
> About ten days ago I sent a message to my Indian Stovers contacts
> precisely asking about the BP situation, and got only one reply from
> someone who was not inside the BP project. I am sending this message to
> them again as blind copies. Maybe someone will respond to the Listserv
> or to me directly.
> Unfortunately, BP has given almost no reports about the Oorja stove
> except for a couple of self-serving advertizing announcements. Technical
> data = Zero, nil, nada!! As a collector of all TLUD information, I am
> especially disappointed that there has been no release about emissions
> data or fuel efficiency.
> Joke: Maybe BP never did any emissions tests or Water Boiling Tests. ;-)
> And no real information about the pellet fuel either. At least no such
> info has reached me, but perhaps someone else can provide it.
> Sad. Soooooo very sad. Apparently it was just a business venture that
> evidently did not give a HIGH ENOUGH return on the investment.
> Two options now. One is to abandon totally the project, and bury the
> scientific results, and not give any help to those who are still working
> on TLUD biomass stoves. That would be the ultimate corporate
> selfishness. (But not helping anyone else might help them sell a bit
> more oil for a few more years. I can only hope that this message reaches
> the decision makers in BP, with hopes for some change of attitudes.)
> The second option is that the "project" (stove technology, inventory,
> pellet facilities, etc) are being transferred to others. One rumor was
> that the project leadership might take it on as a private venture
> separate from BP. I have met several of them, and they are quite capable
> people. But they do not have the deep pockets of BP, so who knows what
> is happening. If this is the option being followed, I wish them the very
> best of success. And I extend to them (as I have done for almost 5
> years) my offer to assist them with TLUD cookstoves regardless (almost)
> of any conditions they might desire.
> I hope the story does not end here. I look forward to any and all
> --Paul S Anderson, Ph.D. -- aka Dr. TLUD ("Doc Tee-lud")
> Biomass Energy Consultant with BEF, & Partner in Chip Energy.
> Specialist in micro-gasification. Office & Res: 309-452-7072
> Quoting Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at gmail.com>:
>> Dear Andrew
>> The Indian project was sold/given to a new group. Perhaps, being
>> they will speak up with details.
>> In South Africa the other team, the Arivi paraffin stove, has been taken
>> over by the industrial design firm that produced it for them. It will hit
>> the market as early as late this year.
>> The difference between the projects is that the Indian stove and fuel was
>> already on the market.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> I just met with the chap that was handling the cdm audit stuff for the
>> BP launched in India. This appeared to be a success story but it looks
>> it has suffered from BP's rationisation in the downturn and the program
>> been ended. It will be interesting to see if anyone takes up the slack as
>> ramp down pellet production over the next year.
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