[Strawbale] re. metal vs. plastic mesh / electric field issues

[SArjuna at aol.com]

     Corwyn responded to some of the things I said, and I'm replying to him 
here.   I'm labeling the various remarks to make it clear who said what, in 
what order.   Hope it's clear.   
     Shivani

 Shivani said: 
     ...the earth (terra firma) is no longer at zero potential.

> Corwyn replied:
> I find this very hard to believe.  For one thing if the earth had a net
> charge, it would be interacting with other nearby objects with those
> interactions being governed by the much stronger electrical force
> rather than the weak gravitational force.  Secondly, we would need to
> be getting a net charge from somewhere.  If the earth was once
> electrically neutral, any electrons we liberate to due our bidding must
> at the same time create a positively charged entity of some sort,
> maintaining the balance.
> 
Shivani responds to Corwyn:
     There is no question of belief.    If you stick the probes of an 
oscilloscope into the ground here and there you can see it for yourself.    The 
utilities admit they are using the ground to return current to the substations.    
Studies have demonstrated it to be 70% to even 80% of the current from a given 
substation.
     PSCs have given the electric utilities the nod to ground every blessed 
transmission pole to the earth.    And homes are grounded to the earth.   All 
this is not done to prevent shocks or to ground lightning, but to allow the 
elec. utilitiy companies to use the ground as part of their transmission systsem. 
  For a descsription of how the electrical grid has evolved, please read 
Ground Currents: An important factor in electromagnetic exposure, by Duane A. 
Dahlberg, Ph.D. at www.lifeenergies.com/resources/papers.htm.    
> 
> Shivani said:
>      High-frequency electricity behaves quite differently from 50/60 Hz.   
> It is subject to "the skin effect," meaning that it tends to spread out and 
> travel
> over the surfaces of things (even things that wouldn't ordinarily be thought 
> of
> as very conductive).
> 
> Corwyn replied:
>      Gauss's law predicts that all charge will be on the surface of an
> insulated conductor.  This is regardless of frequency.
> 
> Shivani replies:
     However, 50 and 60 Hz do not flow away from the wiring the way higher 
frequencies do.    You can avoid 50/60 Hz if you avoid wiring and appliances.    
The fact that the higher frequencies flow away from the wiring and over all 
kinds of surfaces (not just ones ordinarily considered conductive) makes them 
very difficult to avoid.   Also, the RF frequencies of electrical pollution are 
literally broadcast from wiring, water pipes, etc.   - to a distance of six 
feet.
     In addition, the human body has good resistance to 50/60 Hz, but less 
and less resistance as frequency goes up.   
     An example: I used to become quite anxious and jumpy sitting at our 
solid wood dining room table.   A couple of times I actually was unable to finish 
a meal, and left the table shaking.   Then it occurred to me to meter the 
table, which indeed did have a high-frequency electric field.     It turned out to 
be coming from a lamp cord behind a desk several feet away.     I dealt with 
that, the field on the table disappeared, and I have never had a problem 
sitting here since.    
     
Shivani said:
>   There are invisible rivers of current, sometimes as much as 100
> feet wide, flowing over the surface of the earth on their way back to
> the substation, because the utility transmission system is 50 years old
> and was never designed to deal with high frequencies.
> 
> Corwyn replied:
>      Huh?  Which component in a substation is frequency dependent?  Other
> than low pass filters of course.
>      
> Shivani replies:
     This has nothing to do with substations.    The transmission wiring can 
carry the 60 Hz out to all the customers, but along the way each user's 
electronics are adding high frequencies to the current.   The wiring is not capable 
of carrying these high frequencies back to the substation.    Again, see 
Dahlberg's article, and also more info. at 
www.lifeenergies.com/pollution/hemef/emfip1-11.htm/.
> 
> Shivani said:
>      In addition, each house will usually have its own river heading out to 
> retun to the substation.  (This can be mapped if you have an oscilloscope.   
> We've done it here at our place.)      
>      Another problem, even if you found "clean" earth to ground to, is
> that grounding the mesh would most likely then create a loop circuit for the
> high-frequency to travel on.   Onto the mesh, onto the ground, thenback onto 
> water
> pipes/wiring/metal rain spouts/another area of mesh.....
> 
> Corwyn replied:
> Driven by what voltage differential?  If I could get a current to run
> in a loop indefinitely, I would take myself off the grid altogether. 
> woohoo, free power!
>      
Shivani responds:
     Sorry, no.   There is plenty of energy present, but it is like the water 
in a lake vs. water going over a waterfall.    You can harvest the 
concentrated energy of a waterfall, but not the energy of a lake, even though it is 
present.   
     What we are talking about here is not high voltage.   It is the 
frequencies that are the bioloogically active factor here.   Personally, I am 
sensitive to .01 volt per meter if the field contains the harmful frequencies.
     (By the way, I heard about someone who did "harvest" current, and the 
utility sued them for theft.   I am sorry I don't remember the whole story now.  
 There was a concentrated point the individual "harvested" from, though, and 
the utility was able to discern that it had been done.
- When you complain that their current is on your land causing trouble, they 
deny it's theirs.   But if you find a way to harvest that current, suddenly it 
belongs to them.)
> 
> Shivani said:
>    There are things one can do to forestall the high frequencies
>  getting loose" in the house, yes, but offering an attractive pathway like
>  metal mesh, that involves the entire building, is at the absolute other end 
> of the
>  spectrum.
> 
> Corwyn replied:
>      High frequency is an adjective not a noun.
>      
> Shivani responds:
     Yes.   High-frequency currents/fields are the problem.

> Corwyn also replied:
>      I am really having trouble figuring out how a mesh of wire in contact
> with the ground everywhere is acquiring a current.  Even if you can
> induce one by creating a magnetic field nearby, surely whatever is
> generating the field is more of an issue than the mesh (which has to be
> smaller).
>      
Shivani responds:
     See Dr. Dahlberg's articles, mentioned above.   Then get the right meter 
and check for yourself.    You will need one that can identify very low 
voltage but high frequency electric fields.     (Such as the Multidetektor at 
www.lifeenergies.com/products/products.htm#hardware/.)

     Regards,
     Shivani
     Life Energies