[Strawbale] Free energy

[Shody Ryon]

I assume that if there is something about your soil
that makes it less efficient then all that would be
needed is to use more of it. There is probably a way
to test it if testing is recommended.
--- Michele O'Malley <michomd at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> The tomato analagy was great!!
> 
> What kind of soil is needed for ground storage. My
> property has dark, loose, volcanic soil. Will this
> even be dense enough for seasonal heat storage?
> 
> Michele O.
> 
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: speireag at gmail.com
> > Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 06:12:05 -0500
> > To: STRAWBALE at LISTSERV.REPP.ORG
> > Subject: Re: [Strawbale] Free energy
> > 
> > 
> > On 2007, Nov 28, at 23:16, Derek Roff wrote:
> > 
> > > 2) There's nothing like organic, home-grown
> tomatoes.  All my friends
> > > love them.  But if I have a dozen, the next
> dozen isn't so useful.
> > > Having a couple of hundred becomes a liability. 
> There are a few
> > > weeks every summer, when I can't give away
> beautiful tomatoes, and
> > > many rot.
> > >
> > > Solar energy has something in common with the
> tomatoes.  We have most
> > > of it, when we need it least, and it doesn't
> store well.  Solar
> > > gizmos have something in common with the guy
> offering free money on
> > > the street.  There is usually a hidden cost, and
> often you will get
> > > nothing back on your investment.
> > 
> >      *laughing*  This is a really good analogy! 
> I'm going to use it.
> > 
> > > I await the results of Joshua's experiments with
> seasonal heat
> > > storage.  I have faith in his careful approach.
> > 
> >      Aw... I'm touched!
> > 
> > > Without some
> > > temperature and heat flow data and/or theory,
> which is not available
> > > on the sites of most seasonal storage advocates,
> I lack information
> > > to make an informed judgment.  I am playing the
> odds, which seem to
> > > me to run this way:  Seasonal heat storage in
> earth won't work.
> > 
> >      It will be fun to see, anyway.  It certainly
> isn't turning out  
> > to be cost-effective in my case, but that wasn't
> the main reason I  
> > wanted to do it.
> > 
> > > It isn't needed in most cases.
> > 
> >      Hm... what's "need"?  If you mean that you
> don't need it in  
> > order to heat a house cheaply, that's probably
> true.  But if your  
> > objective is to be able to pretty much ignore
> heating or cooling the  
> > house in a wide variety of climates, then it might
> turn out to be the  
> > only essentially solid-state solution.
> > 
> > > The initial costs could be better spent
> > > (would give more bang for the buck) if spent on
> other enhancements to
> > > the house.
> > 
> >      I think this is likely to be true in the
> majority of cases.  In  
> > my own case, the expense and trouble of digging in
> rocky ground has  
> > made this option unexpectedly expensive.
> > 
> >      On the other hand, if I had done it at the
> outset, as part of  
> > the original design, then it might have added much
> less to the  
> > overall costs.
> > 
> > -Speireag.
> > 
> > 
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