[Strawbale] Floor Insulation vs TS (was Brian Z. - welded wire mesh) (Long message)

[Shody Ryon]

--- activism98201 at verizon.net wrote:

> Shody (and others),
> 
> I'm thinking along the lines of passive solar
> design, whereby thermal mass is used as an energy
> sink.
<snip>

Hi Mark and List,
I have been looking into this idea too; a thermal
flywheel. While I agree with the idea, I think it is
wise to employ knowledge gained by those with years of
experience designing and building these systems. There
are so many variables, I am not implying that you or
anyone does not have this experience, how ever, some
people that do are Laren Corie (littlehouses yahoo
group) and Don Stephens (greenershelter.com).
I hope I am addressing your point.
Cheers,
Shody

Cross post from Laren:
Posted by: "LarenCorie" larencorie at axilar.net  
larencorie 
Wed Oct 3, 2007 11:05 am (PST) 
From: "Tony" <nursingdata@ gmail.com>

> Raising the entire structure off the ground high
enough
> to park undeneath is also an option.

In the north, it may provide a cold storage, in
winter,
or even in summer, with insulation and good ground
coupling...also a good place to keep a snowmobile,
bicycle, etc....out of the weather....a little
carport,
like on my little demo house.

> Depending on how this is done it doesn't necessarily
> raise the cost as much as one might think.

In the north, it is not much more than having longer
posts.
It is just a tall crawlspace, above ground.

> It gives great views and makes it easier to cool
passively.

It also gets the house higher for more winter
sunlight,
over the treetops, which was my initial reason to do
it.
Though I have acres of land, on which to build, my
only good clear (not really all that good) was close
to the southern property line, and not very wide.
I will not get early morning and late afternoon
sunlight. In late December, when I need sunlight
the most, it will be partially blocked by trees.

A far as cost, raising the floor up gives me a covered
storage work area, for less cost than any other way.
Concrete and XPS Foam insulation have gotten so
expensive lately, that it is more economical to build
a wood frame floor, and fill it with cellulose. For
example, in Maine, in January, when outdoor air
gets the coldest, and averages about 15°F, the deep
ground temp may be around 42°F, but you have to
deal with the ground temp near the surface, so it is
more like the average, which would be around 28°.
If we assume a floor temperature of about 65°, we
can look at a 1000ft² R20 concrete floor heat loss,
in January of about (65-28) x24x31x1000/ 20 =
1,376,000BTU. With 2x12s and cellulose, we will
have about (65-15) x24x31x1000/ 35.4 =
1,051,000BTU. (about 24% less). The XPS foam
insulation will cost about $2000, and is not very
"green". The cellulose will cost about $300, and
is very "green". The wood floor or concrete will
cost about the same in materials. Maybe the wood
might run an additional $500, since it needs to be
closed in underneath. Again....... .....wood "green"
concrete.... "not green" So the savings is in a range
around $1000, and you get a floor that is insulated
a third better, when you need it the most. The
foundation will cost about the same. In milder
months of the heating season, the slab will suck
even more heat (relatively) from the house. Even
an insulated slab is a heat loss. That can be a good
thing where cooling is the priority, but in the north,
where heating is a greater concern, a slab is a big
additional heating load.

-Laren Corie-
Natural Solar Building Designs, Since 1975
www.LarenCorie. com


       
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